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Bloodwork: Low Test, Low Estrogen


#123

How can they just up and do that? Were you diagnosed with hypogonadism? Seems like this is what you pay into the system for and considering all ailments probably one of the cheapest treatment protocol out there.


#124

Amen! I just don’t understand it. I was diagnosed with hypogonadism and estrogen deficiency as well as obesity believe it or not. The insurance company is saying they wont cover me unless my test levels are below 300 ng/dl. Its really frustrating.


#125

But…you’re on TRT…is this based on prior blood tests?


#126

Could you retake a test with a lower T level, and resubmit? Might suck for a few days.


#127

Look into the criteria. My insurance company required 2 readings under 300 for initial medication approval. Then for renewal of the approval test can’t be over 800.

Appeal! Dr usually have staff to appeal and process paper work.


#128

Is your pressure still good? I just started taking my pressure after obsessing over it before and it has consistently been around 115/75. Never been this good.
It’s either the extra zinc, 3mg Cialis daily , or my t going higher than I was since increasing to 108mg a week from 100.


#129

So it doesn’t matter if you’re hypogonadal or not, roadblocks put in place to deny treatment even if doctors agree you’re hypogonadal. Insurance companies shouldn’t have this kind of power over our health, doctors should be making decisions about our health.


#130

Left out I need to have hypogonadism


#131

That’s defined as reduction or absence of hormone secretion. Everyone become hypogonadal at different hormone levels do to biology. So if you score 301 then it’s not hypogonadism?

Symptoms tells you whether you’re hypogonadal, not numbers on paper.


#132

This is what they told me as well. My TT was 311 and that’s why they are denying coverage even though my estrogen was non existent. Its ridiculous.


#133

I’d imagine I could do that. They require 2 test in the am below 300. It would royally suck to go through that to get my worthless insurance company to shell out a couple bucks.


#134

I ha dht been monitoring my blood pressure recently. I probably should. Thanks for the reminder.


#135

So quick update. Almost 7 months in to treatment. Feeling great. Loving trt. Finally successfully pushed 315 on bench. That’s a personal best for me. I finished my first 10ml bottle of test cyp. Went to make my first injection off the new bottle last night. While drawing I saw what looked like ice float down through the liquid and hit the syringe. I guess the test crystallizes in the oil. I took the bottle to the pharmacy and they gave me a new one.


#136

My bottle says “If crystals form gently warm and shake bottle”


#137

Oh…and glad you are doing well. Congrats on the bench PR.


#138

Yeah. I ran hot water over it for a while. Swirled it. Wouldnt go away.


#139

Ok. Update. Decided to run an experiment on myself. I have never taken any kind of AI before. My last blood test taken on 100mg of test cyp a week showed an E2 Sensitive of 27. After that I increased my Test Cypionate dosage to 120 mg per week and have been using that dosage for 8 weeks. I sourced some liquid arimidex and decided to micro dose and see how that effected me. The liquid arimidex was 1 mg per ml. I dosed it last Monday at 0.100 mg. Very small dosage. Smallest I could measure. Turned out to be a huge mistake. Within 24 hours I felt like absolute death. Feelings of depression. Could not keep myself awake. Monday through Thursday were absolute hell. I could barely function. I was falling asleep at least twice a day. Obviously I didnt take anymore arimidex. Thursday I did my next Test Cypionate injection and within hours I was feeling better.


#140

You recovered quite fast, I’m likely going to start an AI soon and will gradually work my way towards the prescribed dosage in baby steps. I hope I’m not an over-responder. Having estrogen problems on only 16mg EOD (64mg weekly) is ridiculous. I seem overly sensitive to testosterone as well.

I wonder what the percentage of guys end up being an over-responder.


#141

Without blood test I dont know exactly what happened but I know I definitely dont want it to happen again. It pretty much destroyed my entire week. That was worse than pre trt when my estrogen was crashed but I guess it’s been over 7 months and I may have been used to living that way before. Now I’m used to trt and having good test levels. I do find it hard to believe that 0.100 mg of arimidex could wipe me out though. Odd if you ask me.


#142

@systemlord get the .1 from defy. They get from empower I believe. They usually prescribe.125 but they also make .1.