You can agree or disagree, I really don’t care. I will listen to someone like Dave Tate over any forum member.
T-Nation: Most T-Nation members aren’t competitive lifters or bodybuilders, but are chasing the goals of strength and hypertrophy simultaneously. What are the biggest mistakes that people make in trying to get big and strong at the same time?
Dave Tate: Before I get into this, I feel it’s important to expose the fact that I’ll have a biased opinion. We all have training biases based on what we have done, read, and seen. Most people know where I stand and where I come from, but for those who don’t, here’s a quick summary.
I’ve spent my life in the sport of powerlifting. I competed for over 25 years and have always trained in small private gyms that catered to those who were extremely serious about how they trained, be it powerlifting, bodybuilding, or any other sport. We all trained with total focus on whatever we were training for.
In short, I don’t get the whole “workout” thing. Training I understand. “Working out” I don’t. This is where I’m coming from and always have, so I’m not going to water it down for the purpose of this roundtable.
What do I mean by all this? I mean that I don’t see any reason to train for strength and hypertrophy simultaneously. To be honest, I think it’s stupid.
Let me explain, if you train for max strength, then size (much easier to say than “hypertrophy”) will be a side effect. In turn if you train for max size, then strength will be a side effect. If you train for both at the same time then you’ll have the results of two side effects instead of one full effect.
In other words, if you try to do both, you’ll see strength results, but they won’t be as great as if you trained for strength alone. The same holds true if you trained solely for size.
I can hear it now: “But Dave, I don’t want to be a competitive powerlifter or bodybuilder, didn’t you hear the question?”
Yeah, I heard it, and this brings up problem #2. If you are in the vast majority of those who would ask the above question then I challenge you try and do a meet or show next year, and then get back to me on how you do. This is a lot like the girl who says, “I don’t want to look like those bulky women you see in the magazines, so I don’t lift weights.”
I hate to be the one to tell you the sad reality of these sports, but it takes years of consistent training for that one goal to be competitive. You’re not going to look or perform like a competitive bodybuilder or powerlifter with just a few training cycles, unless of course you’re a freak.
So my advice is to pick either strength or size as a goal, stop “working out,” and start training.[/quote]
The problem is that here Tate refers to MAX STRENGTH.
For this it involves alot of singles and 1-2RM Max Efforts etc and a higher freuqency for techinque.
If your training using a “high volume” approach and blasting a muscle near once a week, where your focusing on the muscle working and not just getting the bar up…strength is directly correlated with size.
but ONLY so long as your eating enough.