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Blast and Cruise Cycle?


#1

Ive stated many times what i think someone who is using 1 or 2 cycles a year should do, 4-8 weeks blasting and 2 weeks cruising. So if it was one cycle and one only this year you would do something akin to 4-8 weeks on, 2 weeks antiestrogens and hcg and then 4-8 weeks on again and pct therapy again and off.< quote from Dc Blast and cruise article..... I am curious if anyone has tried this type of cycle? If so, How were your results and how did u feel during the cruise phase? in comparison to other cycles? I usually do 2 cycles per yr(10 weeks on), but I have never tried this approach. Thanx


#2

Hmm sounds interesting can you be more specific with the dosage amount?

Like when you “blast” what you take double of your “cruise” dose? I know what ester you use will be a factor, but why does “blast and Cruise” favorable compared to a regular cycle?

Wouldn’t the really high dose during the “blast” hinder recovery? Would you use SERM?

I am curios what causes more suppression High doses for a short period of time. Or average dosage for regular amount of time. I know drug selection has a lot to do with suppression. But lets say you choose the same compound, which way suppresses more?


#3

Is this what your saying?
wks 1-8 1g/week test
wks 8-10 250mg/week test
I dont see the point in it. You are still suppressed for weeks 8-10, but you are not using enough to make gains. What is the reasoning behind this?

Cron;
Lets say you are using testosterone as your compound, it is my understanding that recovery would be easier doing six weeks at a gram/week then ten wks at 500mg/week. This has held true in practice for me as well.

On a separate note if either, Cron or AZcat, stats are accurate you are both at a size that steroids are not necessary. You both have much natural potential to gain still.


#4

He does not talk too much about dosage amount. When I do a 10 week cycle, it’s usually 600mg test enth. I’m not exactly sure what he means by cruise also. 50-100mg per week? No juice at all?


#5

I will read that later thanks.


#6

My understanding on this practice:

Normal bulk cycle:
750mg/week 1-12
40mg/dbol 1-6
225mg/week tren 1-12

Stasis/Bridge
250mg/week 12-16
AI and SERM admnistration as needed.

At the end of week 16 you can either taper down or prepare for the next bout. This is completely dependant of personal goals, supply, and current legal/social enviornment of the user. I think this type of approach kinda of throws the worry over recovery out the window. I would love to hear what Bill Roberts has to say about it though. I shall sound the ram’s horn!


#7

[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
Is this what your saying?

Cron;
Lets say you are using testosterone as your compound, it is my understanding that recovery would be easier doing six weeks at a gram/week then ten wks at 500mg/week. This has held true in practice for me as well.
[/quote]

Hmmm intersting…lets say you did do this, “blast” for 6 weeks at 1g/week. At that high of a dose would a SERM work? And what is the benefit of the “blast and cruise” vs a normal cycle?


#8

Here is the article which i am refering to. yes it does lack alot of info as to dosage and what he means by cruise. I don’t think he means to actually up the dosage either…during the blast phase that is. Anyway, it’s kind of long, but a very interesting read…Here goes

Monday, November 13, 2006
Blasting and Cruising
Blasting and Cruising

Cruising–I want to clear some things up about this. As much as I like people to keep the training in correct format because Ive experimented with this stuff so much and I think I have a feel for what is working best, with blasting and cruising it can be individualistic.

With Natural guys, they usually go 5 weeks to 14 weeks blasting and then take a 2 week cruise–the norm seems to be somewhere between 7 weeks blasting and 12 weeks blasting. You read this by being in tune with your body and when you start feeling worn out and not really wanting to give the logbook an ass kicking–its time to cruise. But dont make a major mistake that some nattys do which is simply refusing to take a day off. Sometimes that rectifies the whole situation right there. At that moment because of various problems, lack of sleep, stress, etc you read that as a time to cruise but basically all you need is to skip a workout and pick up the schedule on the next day and your right back to normal.

Now if you take a day off and you get that 3-4 days of straight rest and still feel listless and unmotivated, hey then its time to cruise. I will give you some examples of what some of my nat trainees do

7 weeks blasting 2 weeks cruising
12 weeks blasting 2 weeks cruising
5 weeks blasting 7 days cruising
8 weeks blasting 7-10 days cruising

As you can see above its personal choice how long you want to blast and cruise. Some guys take the 2 weeks cruise some guys like it shorter. Its up to you. I also have some guys that train pretty hard with straight sets during this time (but short of failure) and some guys that kind of just wing it (either way is going to work–your just maintaining)

For my enhanced trainees the situation is a little different. Alot of this is all done by personal preference and how you morally stand on the super supplement issue. The most important thing to remember is during a cycle that there comes a time where your endo test is dropping (well its always dropping but read ahead) and estro side effects are coming on fast. Most of the time this big ratio skewering is most prominent between weeks 3 and 8. And to pinpoint it further I would suggest that right around weeks 5-7 is the key time. Alot of my trainees can actually feel this point during their cycles.

Your appetite starts lessening, you feel a change in androgen benefits according to your body (hardness decreases slightly, smoothing out, lethargy), your temper increases (most likely due to the estro/test skewered ratio–(the same bitchiness alot of guys get when they use clomid)–and your attitude toward workouts and destroying the logbook starts decreasing more and more (over many weeks)…You really have to know your body well to recognize these signs but someone who has been around the block for awhile will definitely. So what do most guys do at this point that dont follow my methods? They up the dose slightly and it gets them gaining again but also most likely is going to make it living hell when they get off finally.

(If they get off is what i should say—and that right there raises more problems…if you fix these problems by continually upping the dose over time, where are you going to go? How much toxicity and abuse will you be putting yourself thru a year down the road to continue making gains? Thats why I kind of chuckle when I hear guys say “fuck that I make my best gains after week 5 or so and thats why i do 16 week cycles”–well of course you do you upped the dose and every time you up the dose youll override that endo test drop and continue making gains. In the long run where is that going to leave you though? Your going to have to abuse the hell out of yourself to put more muscle mass on your body. So what do you do? Your job is to decide in the context of my methods what is best for you.

If thats one cycle a year so be it. If thats being on continually for years and years thats your choice. All I ask is that you do one simple thing. Always keep this following thought in the back of your mind with whatever path you choose thats right for you concerning super supplements. YOU MUST DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO TRY TO KEEP YOURSELF REGULATED HPTA WISE. Whats the best way to do that? Never use super supplements. Whats the best way to do that if you do use super supplements? Use everything at your disposal to send signals to the hpta at intermittent times. Ive stated many times what i think someone who is using 1 or 2 cycles a year should do, 4-8 weeks blasting and 2 weeks cruising.

So if it was one cycle and one only this year you would do something akin to 4-8 weeks on, 2 weeks antiestrogens and hcg and then 4-8 weeks on again and pct therapy again and off. That basically is a 8-16 week cycle thats going to be very easy to keep muscle mass when you get off instead of the guys who hammer themself for 4 months straight and cross their fingers when they get off with clomid that they dont disengrate (laughable because it happens 90% of the time) …So Ive already hit on that limited super supplement usage that people do above too many times to count over the last 3 years…and to be brutally honest theres alot of guys (elite pros, top amateurs and advanced bodybuilders) that are running year round and I know those guys want to hear what Im going to say on this.

SO DONT GET YOUR GODDAMN PANTIES IN A WAD IF THIS GOES AGAINST WHAT YOU PERSONALLY FEEL IS RIGHT AND MORALLY SOUND YOU HOLIER THAN THOU PROHORMONE ABUSERS AND ONCE A YEAR CYCLERS. Examples of some athletes in Europe or Mexico (where this is all legal)

7 weeks on 2 weeks cruising
6 weeks on 1 week cruising
8 weeks on 2 weeks cruising
7 weeks on 7-10days cruising

It basically comes down to choices of the individual. Some guys cruisings are arim, nolv, hcg and clomid. Some guys refuse to get completely off and do arim nolv hcg clom and 50mg of test prop eod during the cruises. I know of one who does arim nolv hcg clom, the low dose test 50mg and anavar during the cruises and he does that for 3 weeks after blasting for 7-8. Every blasting your trying to get to a new muscular level, every cruising your trying to regulate yourself somewhat by sending signals to the HPTA and maintaining or if your lucky slightly increasing muscle size. It needs to be done that way if your going to stay on for extended periods otherwise your going to have one terrible time coming off.

Now if I see one freaking guy posting that this is DC’s recommendations on other boards, IM GOING TO GO OFF! I wrote up something like this 4 years ago as it pertained to elite athletes who were running year round anyway and then for the next 3 years I heard idiots telling people that I recommended year round cycling. I recommend letting whatever an individual chooses himself to do and i work in those parameters and try to suggest a better way. Do I believe blasting and cruising works much better both for muscle gains and keeping the hpta regulated than just bludgeoning yourself year round, …HELL YES I DO.

In fact if you break down things, there isnt much difference in “time on”“time off” of someone doing 4 months on and 2 months off (pct included) and doing it this way–its almost exactly the same. The difference is the above way i described doesnt give you that YO YO effect where you always trying to gain back muscle mass you lost with each cycle. If you are reading this and believe pros and top amateurs are coming off when they are at the Pro Ironman in February, The arnold in March, The Night of Champions in May, The USA’s in the end of July, The olympia in the early fall, and the GNC in the fall, along with flex magazine photo shoots, multiple appearances, and 5-20 guest posings spread out also during the year–AND YET ALWAYS LOOKING BIG HARD JACKED AND NEVER LOOKING SMALLER OR SMOOTHER…then you need to wake up and smell the Java because your clueless.

It aint happening. When is the last time you saw a pro and thought “wow he looks off, he is alot smaller and really smooth too” --I am pretty sure Ronnie took a break this year because of his look earlier in the year but the majority of others? Look at all the shows above spread out over the year and add in maybe one to two shows they are competing in this year (with 4 month contest preps) and you tell me when they are getting off. They arent or if they are its definitely not 2 months completely (off and clean) like Ive seen many post its more like a week here or a week there. There is a massive rock hard amateur superheavyweight with the initials D.P. who strongly advocates 4 months on and 2 months completely off–very strongly advocates the 2 months completely off. When is the last time you have seen him look small and smoother?

Theres 100’s of pics on his site showing him at various times the last 5 years or so at different shows, guest posings, appearances and he competes twice a year too (theres 8 months on right there). Do you see one pic where he looks off? So the bottom line is this, blasting and cruising is individualistic and it is based on being natural or enhanced and it is based on when both individuals (nat/enhan) start feeling burnt out from the war with the logbook. I step peoples diets down a notch during cruisings (especially the enhanced because their skewered test/est ratio at that time isnt optimal) and I make everyones training more of maintenance to prep them for another blasting. Whether nat or enhanced if you try to go year round with this brutal war with the logbook, it wont work, you have to take 2 steps forward and a half step back and regroup your mindset, fortitude and desire to go the extra mile here.
Posted by IronDog at 2:32 PM


#9

[quote]Cron391 wrote:
egnatiosj wrote:
Is this what your saying?

Cron;
Lets say you are using testosterone as your compound, it is my understanding that recovery would be easier doing six weeks at a gram/week then ten wks at 500mg/week. This has held true in practice for me as well.

Hmmm intersting…lets say you did do this, “blast” for 6 weeks at 1g/week. At that high of a dose would a SERM work? And what is the benefit of the “blast and cruise” vs a normal cycle?
[/quote]

What do you mean would a SERM work at that dose? Why would you even be taking a serm at 1g/week?
A blast and cruise is traditionally TRT doses in which the person never comes off the exogenous testosterone. He does do “blasts” which are periods of high doses but then returns to the “cruise” TRT dose. I have never heard of doing 6weeks blasts and 2week cruises. Personally, I could not figure out what the reasoning from the article, it was very poorly written.


#10

[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
Cron391 wrote:
egnatiosj wrote:
Is this what your saying?

Cron;
Lets say you are using testosterone as your compound, it is my understanding that recovery would be easier doing six weeks at a gram/week then ten wks at 500mg/week. This has held true in practice for me as well.

Hmmm intersting…lets say you did do this, “blast” for 6 weeks at 1g/week. At that high of a dose would a SERM work? And what is the benefit of the “blast and cruise” vs a normal cycle?

What do you mean would a SERM work at that dose? Why would you even be taking a serm at 1g/week?
A blast and cruise is traditionally TRT doses in which the person never comes off the exogenous testosterone. He does do “blasts” which are periods of high doses but then returns to the “cruise” TRT dose. I have never heard of doing 6weeks blasts and 2week cruises. Personally, I could not figure out what the reasoning from the article, it was very poorly written. [/quote]

Interesting so you are saying that people who take TRT do the “blast and cruise” because they are on Test forever?

That makes sense…right?


#11

OP

Can you give us your updated stats, including age, and cycle history. Other other specifics, such as weight limit restrictions, are helpful too.


#12

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
OP

Can you give us your updated stats, including age, and cycle history. Other other specifics, such as weight limit restrictions, are helpful too. [/quote]

40yrs old 6’ 195 9-10% bf. It’s been about 14 months since my last cycle of 600mg test enth (10 weeks) Unfortunately, I had to take some time off due to work, but have been back in the gym for about 6 months now…going from 181 to 195. I still have at least 6 more months, if not more until I even consider doing another cycle. I am eating well and making great gains as of now, so no need to cycle again just yet. Just looking into different cycles to see what might work best for me when I am ready. I am currently living in Mexico and can get as much test enth and equipoise for super cheap just 3 doors down from a veterinarian. Unfortunately those are the only 2 I am able to obtain at the moment. My goal is to be around 215 with 5-6% bodyfat within the next yr (cycle or not) Gonna be tough, but i can do it.


#13

Damn, it seems I need to sacrifice a lamb and burn it as an offering and sound the ram’s horn in order to awaken Bill Roberts from his chambers so he can mount his golden chariot (pulled by fire breathing horses) and ride it across the heavens and give me his valuable input on this practice.


#14

[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Damn, it seems I need to sacrifice a lamb and burn it as an offering and sound the ram’s horn in order to awaken Bill Roberts from his chambers so he can mount his golden chariot (pulled by fire breathing horses) and ride it across the heavens and give me his valuable input on this practice. [/quote]

lolz. Yah usually he’d be all over this.


#15

En que parte de Mexico estas Azcat? Oh si, I too did a pilgrimage. Super cheap eh?


#16

San Miguel de Allende, Mexico. I grew up in Az and came here about 3yrs ago to build homes for other Gringos to buy. Pretty slow now with the Economy and all. What about u?