The difference is comparing styles, not athletes. Fedor is a sick athlete who wins with his takedown defense, brutal punches and ability to take a punch and HE’S SUPER QUICK…What if someone is not? Then his system may not work.
It works cause an attribute he has, which he can’t teach everyone, allows it to work. As a system, the approach BJJ uses is very good, and now, very well known and predictable, so yeah, of course it loses.
While sambo, judo, wrestling are all great BJJ is almost always better for a regular guy. They just really know more details of how to get stuff to work for you.
I don’t defend BJJ cause I do it. I do it cause I’ve done a ton of other stuff and it really is well thought out. Fedor is a killer, but he does not win with Sambo alone. Take equals and teach them classic judo, boxing, bjj, sambo, wrestling. BJJ will be more complete as it, in my experience, is taught in a very realistic, systematic approach. All MMA guys know some of it.
Anyway, early fights like severn/gracie or gracie/taktarov make for great comparisons of pure systems, before BJJ was known by everyone. And also,
Many BJJ athletes are sub par and still do very good. Why? Cause of technique. Many super athletes do really well too, why? They are super athletes. What’s important is who can teach you to be like them. Renzo can teach me to be like him. Some good coaches out there can get you quicker, but it usually isn’t the best athletes who can show you this cause they were born that way or at least born with potential to be that way and when they work very hard and a regular guy works just as hard, they just are quicker.
But what is the point of style comparisons anyway as now everyone is doing MMA? if you’re a good athlete, just wresling and boxing will take you far. If you’re not a natural athlete try some bjj.
A big part of the ‘mix’ is and always will be BJJ. Boxing is number one for hands, wrestling great for clinch & takedowns but pure boxing and pure wrestling alone won’t cut it without you being bigger/stronger/faster than the opponent. Just cause I know boxing/wrestling doesn’t mean I’ll be able to do it on your average tough guy who may fight dirty and is a little bigger than me. Boxing can be easy to negate as people just rush in and you’re too close to hit good. Bjj is the only thing I used that let me beat I guy I otherwise shouldn’t have been able to beat.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
F13 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Rulk Gracie wrote:
Okay…well that’s the differnece between Jiu-Jitsu and Sambo.
Dude, are you serious? Have you watched Pride? Have you heard of Fedor? As for your logic: A beats B, than loses to C than C’s style is better than B’s? Actually if you have watched UFC a little more you would use the Renzo Gracie against Taktarov as BJJ vs Sambo, buy you don’t know that fight happened judging by how you had to use Severn…
As for Sambo vs BJJ in more recent history, how about Fedor destroying Big Nog three times in Pride when Nogueira was thought to be unbeatable prior to that subbing everyone with his excellent BJJ ground game?
Oh wait, you probably don’t even know who Nog is…
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