[quote]pittbulll wrote:
That is what Obamaâ??s plan call for is the ins. Industry is going to have to compete with a Gov. run program.[/quote]
If the government run program actually had to run at cost or in the black (aka no additional taxes funneled there way) I would be intrigued to see this program. They would actually have to provide a competitive service. But realistically it will just get tons and tons of tax dollars and drive out private insurance, at a net cost to society.
[quote]denv23 wrote:
There is no such thing as competing with a govt program. How is a company of any kind supposed to compete with the very body that writes the regulations it has to abide by? Obama himself has said many times that he eventually wants a single payer govt run system.
On page 16 of the healthcare bill is a provision making private insurance illegal. You can keep the plan you have now, but if you are dropped, change jobs, or start a business the only coverage available is govt. Over a few years this will phase out private insurers all together.[/quote]
Exactly, this is the dumbest idea and dumbest logic I have ever heard. compete with a government program funded by taxes? Come on, you should have more sense to even say something like that.
[quote]TBT4ver wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
That is what Obama�¢??s plan call for is the ins. Industry is going to have to compete with a Gov. run program.
If the government run program actually had to run at cost or in the black (aka no additional taxes funneled there way) I would be intrigued to see this program. They would actually have to provide a competitive service. But realistically it will just get tons and tons of tax dollars and drive out private insurance, at a net cost to society.[/quote]
exactly, run it as a business with no, well we’ll just increase your taxes and cover less.
[quote]denv23 wrote:
There is no such thing as competing with a govt program. How is a company of any kind supposed to compete with the very body that writes the regulations it has to abide by? Obama himself has said many times that he eventually wants a single payer govt run system.
On page 16 of the healthcare bill is a provision making private insurance illegal. You can keep the plan you have now, but if you are dropped, change jobs, or start a business the only coverage available is govt. Over a few years this will phase out private insurers all together.[/quote]
Turnpikes, compete with free ways . waste water, with septic systems . city water with wells , garbage service with disposing of it by yourself. probably our electricity is subsidized by us, schools (most of them are still public) I think most people welcome competition from charter schools . These are all systems our Gov. run or control . try to live your life with out the bargaining power of the gov
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
denv23 wrote:
There is no such thing as competing with a govt program. How is a company of any kind supposed to compete with the very body that writes the regulations it has to abide by? Obama himself has said many times that he eventually wants a single payer govt run system.
On page 16 of the healthcare bill is a provision making private insurance illegal. You can keep the plan you have now, but if you are dropped, change jobs, or start a business the only coverage available is govt. Over a few years this will phase out private insurers all together.
Turnpikes, compete with free ways . waste water, with septic systems . city water with wells , garbage service with disposing of it by yourself. probably our electricity is subsidized by us, schools (most of them are still public) I think most people welcome competition from charter schools . These are all systems our Gov. run or control . try to live your life with out the bargaining power of the gov[/quote]
Apples and oranges. Almost everything you’ve mentioned is local govt where the people who actually live in the surrounding community have input. Totally different from the federal govt.
The USPS is 2.8 BILLION in the red right now and their services dont compare to UPS or FEDEX.
The public school system is overpopulated, underfunded, and full of incompetence because of the govt coupled with unions. Most can’t hold a candle to private school education.
I can go on forever with any govt program you want…medicare, medicaid, social security, the clusterfuck that is the IRS. The govt cant run anything efficiently. All they are good at is stifling competition by imposing ridiculous restrictions on private business, which is the single biggest problem healthcare has, and the reason it is so expensive.
[quote]denv23 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
denv23 wrote:
There is no such thing as competing with a govt program. How is a company of any kind supposed to compete with the very body that writes the regulations it has to abide by? Obama himself has said many times that he eventually wants a single payer govt run system.
On page 16 of the healthcare bill is a provision making private insurance illegal. You can keep the plan you have now, but if you are dropped, change jobs, or start a business the only coverage available is govt. Over a few years this will phase out private insurers all together.
Turnpikes, compete with free ways . waste water, with septic systems . city water with wells , garbage service with disposing of it by yourself. probably our electricity is subsidized by us, schools (most of them are still public) I think most people welcome competition from charter schools . These are all systems our Gov. run or control . try to live your life with out the bargaining power of the gov
Apples and oranges. Almost everything you’ve mentioned is local govt where the people who actually live in the surrounding community have input. Totally different from the federal govt.
The USPS is 2.8 BILLION in the red right now and their services dont compare to UPS or FEDEX.
The public school system is overpopulated, underfunded, and full of incompetence because of the govt coupled with unions. Most can’t hold a candle to private school education.
I can go on forever with any govt program you want…medicare, medicaid, social security, the clusterfuck that is the IRS. The govt cant run anything efficiently. All they are good at is stifling competition by imposing ridiculous restrictions on private business, which is the single biggest problem healthcare has, and the reason it is so expensive.
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I did not mentions USPS, but they are dealing with the majority of their business go, via internet. (FREE)
Some of those programs are local , but they are funded by TAX dollars any way you look at it , Arizona gets itâ??s water though CAP , ( Central Arizona Project) it brings in water from the Colorado River ( it even runs up hill for a while)
If that project would have been left in the hands of the free market, our water would rival that of Gasoline,
Same with health care, those companies expect huge profits that come from denying claims charging people more than their policy is worth. Their profit is what is left over from running a company well.
I am not saying the Gov is great at everything they do, if this program gets off the ground, it will have problems. But if it does not gradually our health care will deteriorate beyond recognition
The main reason healthcare is so expensive is because of the policy mandates that fed and state govts put on them.
Let insurance companies write whatever policy they want, to whoever they want, in any and all states they want to is the answer. It opens up competition, drives down costs, and gives the public unlimited choice.
[quote]denv23 wrote:
On page 16 of the healthcare bill is a provision making private insurance illegal. You can keep the plan you have now, but if you are dropped, change jobs, or start a business the only coverage available is govt. Over a few years this will phase out private insurers all together.[/quote]
This is a lie. There is no such provision anywhere in any of the versions of the health care reform bill currently being discussed in committee, nor has there ever been such a provision in any earlier draft.
[quote]denv23 wrote:
Let insurance companies write whatever policy they want, to whoever they want, in any and all states they want to is the answer. It opens up competition, drives down costs, and gives the public unlimited choice.[/quote]
No, that won’t work. Absent regulation, why would any insurance company agree to provide coverage for someone if they know that they will lose money on that person? Suppose someone is born with a birth defect that requires expensive surgery and extensive occupational and physical therapy to correct. That person may need ongoing care for the rest of their life. In your free market model, what would happen to such a person?