[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Yes, I didn’t say that a reasonable result might not be obtained, but as DB just said above, it is suppressive at that 100 mg/week level.
When simply going straight off of fast-acting steroids and using Clomid, and the testes having been kept in shape with HCG, and the cycle length not too long, T production generally snaps back very well and quickly on that protocol.
As to positive effect from doses like 80 mg/week, 60 mg/week, etc. this is pretty negligible.
Success from it seems to me sort of like crossing the bridge of a major highway on foot, and having done some very particular small gestures while walking and wearing some very particular clothing and so forth, and the bridge did not fall down. That is true. But it’s unknowable from that experience whether the bridge would also not have fallen down had the person instead, say, run as much distance till he was tired, then cruised the rest on walking, without these protection gestures.
If a person recovers their natural T with the described taper program, they will do so without the program as well. And recover it faster. Which means, to make it an equal comparison recovery wise and on total amount of steroids used, that an extra week (let’s say) using all the mg that was going to be used in the taper all in that week would be more productive. Because a dose such as 1000 mg/week for a week is going to do more than doses like 100 mg/week for 10 weeks in the context of a lifter who has already made good gains from steroids.[/quote]
If I am understanding this last portion correctly, you are saying that it would be more benificial to the lifter to have used the amount of steroid you were going to use during the taper and have implemented it into the actual cycle – gained the extra muscle that you would not have gained had you used a taper and potentially lose this new gained muscle during a typical PCT protocol, therefor coming out ahead of a taper, which you believe will lose muscle regardless.
This does make some sense, and I cannot disagree with the logic, but there are many variables at play here. The reason the taper makes more physiological sense to me, is the fact that your test levels are very high during the cycle. To avoid the “crash” of going from X amount to dwindling down based on half-life ester to eventually zero, and waiting for your HPTA to get back on track, it seems reasonable to think that implementing a slow decline of this process where blood levels are more stable while allowing the body to regain homeostasis is the better choice.
Now, with all of that being said…the only real way to tell would be clinical trial(which probably will never be done) or real world experience from vets who have tried both.