Dr. Darden.
I’ve been rereading the new bodybuilding old school results. Excellent book btw. I was examining the big routine and noticed that you had dip/pull-up negative dip/ negative pull-up back to back. Got me thinking. What would you say the advantages or disadvantages to the following scenarios.
Skipping the full range and just doing Negative dip and negative pull-up presumably with more resistance
Doing the dip to failure followed by negative dip to failure and same with pull-up.
I just finished today’s workout with both negative only dips and chins (the 60 second application of it) , and both mentally and physically it is a true test for anybody
I’ve been doing the 30-10-30 but can’t do that for chins. For chins I’ll do negative only but only can do them currently for ~ 70 seconds total doing about 8 reps. Mark - when you state you did 60 seconds - did you do one slow 60 seconds or was that multiple negative reps.
I’ve tried only negatives before but seemed to only slide backwards. Maybe too much for me but I believe using repetitions and doing more of the full movement is better than just one slow movement.
I like the idea of the 30-10-30 due to the fact you do also get in the 10 positives also…
Regards-
It is just one slow 60 second negative.
I tried them before as the second exercise in a pre exhaust cycle, but doing them “immediately” after another movement (done 30-10-30) i found very tough mentally as well as physically .
So I am currently doing them along with dips at the end of the workout after curls and pressdowns (It goes in this order … pressdowns, curls , dip, chin) . This allows me to add extra weight and also apply complete focus instead of breathing like a steam train and trying to fight lactic build up whilst controlling a 60 second negative.
You’re one STRONG guy Mark. If you can do (pressdowns (30-10-30), curls (30-10-30), Neg Dip, Neg Chin - that’s an amazing amount of fatigue, work, and TUL. That negative chin would be about 2 seconds for me…
Thanks Ron,
but if you look at the order. I perform the pressdowns and curls first, followed by the dip and chin , with appropriate rest periods in between them.
So the triceps and biceps are fatigued. But nowhere near as much if did them with pre- exhaust.
If I was do them pre -exhaust then I would probably change the protocols to 20-10-20 for extensions/curls and do 45 second dips/chins to make the TUL more manageable and productive for me.
Understood Mark. When I take an exercise to complete failure on that last 30 second negative - I am done! Even with a breather (working an opposing muscle) I would drop like a rock!
I don’t know if everyone is like this but I typically can’t get half the reps if I were to do a second set (even with an apposing muscle worked in-between - ex: DB bench/DB Row). Full positive failure usually gets me to 1/2 the reps if I were to do another set with the same weight. The 30-10-30 - haven’t tried but assume 20% of the reps…
thank you!