When do you get your best results for chest size and strength?
1 Day a week? 2 Days a week? or.....
-be somewhat descriptive (reps, sets, or intensity) -for some reason my chest has always lagged behind my deadlift, squat, and clean and jerk which I improve fairly well on a regular basis.
I've read a lot of chest training articles and nothing seems to bring it together for me, it might be because I don't have a spotter and I can't always go to failure. Any alternatives for having no spotter so I can still get the results I want (size and strength)?
I concentrate mainly on the bench press and in gaining 2 solid reps every session. If you're getting stronger, you're getting bigger. The inclines and shoulder press are more for the pump, but I'm still looking for a rep increase with every time I do the workout. They have a longer TUT obviously.
Probably the best other than push up flys and slide push ups which also include the inferior pressing biomechanical action of the chest. The primary and superior biomechanical action of the chest is to pull the arm across the body. "A Fly".
I'm convinced from the exercises that I do. All you will ever need for a big chest is to do this. I don't do it, but I do something very similiar.
Bench Press for a long time, and only bench presses. And realy f'n heavy. I did that part. Maybe 5 years or so. Once you have this strength where your chest starts to plateau. Then incorporate the Fly, and learn how to do it right. Watch Arnold in "Pumping Iron" perform that fly to perfection.
Following Arnold's routine your almost guarenteed success for an enormous chest.
5 Years: Bench Incline Fly Dip Pullover
Then He supersetted: chest & back alot of heavy chest and back work Start chinning and rowing with those presses at this point.
Flyes are what bulked that baby up. He hit em low and never let the muscle rest. As I said before, "Arnold never cheated himself or cut himself short".
Thats all i do. bench 5x5, all kind of fly variations including "push up flyes" & alot of chinning and back work.
Chest is easy, you just have to work that fucker hard. There are no secrets really. Other than pain. Increase yours and your chest will grow with it.
Flys suck. Honestly, it is a "pretty" exercise. You are limited in the weight used because the force is being spread out over the entire length of your arm instead of downward through your forearm as is the case with bumbbell presses. I can't think of a more useless exercise than the dumbbell fly. It looks good to other people when you have some size on you and you do them. That is about the only benefit over dumbbell presses, showing off.
I have never seen anyone with a chest ever claim that they got their size and strength from flies. I have seen plenty get huge using all sorts of bench presses and dips. I like wide grip benches personally.
Once you have good size, cable flies might be able to help as a finisher, but you have to get the size first.
I do pec deck flyes sometimes as the veryt last movement for chest. It is mostly just a "finishing" movement as my goal is more to push more blood into the muscle group until I just can't close the bar together. I would never rely on it as a main mass builder. I put it on the same level as cable flyes...a last movement to push the muscle more towards fatigue and muscle failure on the last movement.
you're one of the biggest here and also one of the most intelligent, so bare with me here.
i agree with the angle laying flat on your back, thats why i don't do them. i said they could be used after 5 years of serious benching and a plateau. "Arnold" benefitted from this. he already had the strength and decent size.
But i disagree with an exercise that i came up with and one that CW has in his 6 week chest building program
Chad listed a slide push up, fly turned upside down, works a heavy load even if you need to add weight and can use both biomechanical functions of the chest> the fly, & the press
mine is similiar i do the same exercise except i use dumbbells to roll or slide with.
i would personaly like to see how many you can do and your feedback on chest recruitment in this exercise. i know of nothing better, and i've been benching for 20 years.
press>> inferior chest action biomechanically
fly>> superior chest action biomechanically
i have stabilization, natural body mechanics, heavy loads, limited arm stress, both biomechanical actions going simultaneously here, less tricep involvement, hard chest contraction, long range of motion, long time under tension, do rest pauses with this exercise and really furthur time under tension
I see a lot of newbies doing flyes. It is like one of the first things they seem to learn. I don't know any competitors who do them and even the ones claiming they do them in the mags didn't get that damn big because of dumbbell flyes. It is the one movement that I believe you could completely leave out of a program and never feel a need to replace it...much like upright rows.
[Mr Pushup]You're joking right? Bench press is a tricep exercise, to get a big chest just do pushups and flyes. While the bench and pushup may look similar, with the bench press you have to fight gravity coming down on your arms so that increases the load in the triceps. Where as in a pushup the gravity acts on your back directly impacting the chest.[[\Mr Pushup]
I like flyes. Not as a primary exercise sure, but all the push movements involved with chest training can get a bit much. Plus you can get a pretty good pump from flyes. What I don't like about them is the stress they put on the shoulders and the crappy form you see many doing them with.
I usually choose 2 push movements and one other for chest work. The other is usually flyes, cable x-overs or DB pullovers.
Does anyone have any other suggests for non-push chest work?
I have no interest in doing a "chest slide" and could honestly care less who came up with it. We can sit here and create new freaking exercises all day long and it won't mean that anyone ever needs to do them.
I have given it. A dumbbell press provides "inferior" chest "action" than a flye? Are you serious? I ask because I am not laughing.