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Best PCT Products?

From experience, what are the best pct products(legal) you guys have used or use currently?. I’m going to be going on a cycle soon and looking for the best PCT supps out there. How would Carbolin 19 and Alpha Male stack up with some other anti-estrogen/cortisol pro-test products for a PCT?

Also the compound I will be cycling is said to have to be taken with a diet high in complex carbohydrates and protien. This is a little tricky for me because I am on the anabolic diet, which as you probobly know is carb restrictive. Would it be wise to abandon the AD for the cycle? Or is it not very important?

Any ideas or suggestions?

Why are you looking for legal PCT supps? Good luck bulking on the AD. Thats LOTS of fat!

Jason

[quote]Africa x wrote:
From experience, what are the best pct products(legal) you guys have used or use currently?. I’m going to be going on a cycle soon and looking for the best PCT supps out there. How would Carbolin 19 and Alpha Male stack up with some other anti-estrogen/cortisol pro-test products for a PCT?

Also the compound I will be cycling is said to have to be taken with a diet high in complex carbohydrates and protien. This is a little tricky for me because I am on the anabolic diet, which as you probobly know is carb restrictive. Would it be wise to abandon the AD for the cycle? Or is it not very important?

Any ideas or suggestions? [/quote]

I’d say your diet is more important than the supplements. Supplements only supplement a well planned diet and exercise routine and form reading the AD thread (over 1100+ posts) I’d say that AD is the way to go.

You could use Alpha Male or a similar type product during bulking, Carbolin 19 during maintenance, and HOT-ROX during cutting.

Remember that these only support a strong base (diet and exercise).

Dude, do you even know what this guy is asking, because evidently you don’t. PCT is post-cycle therapy, a necessary process of ingesting anti-estrogen and testosterone support compounds after a steroid cycle to get the boys back up and running and to minimize loss of gains, not to mention avoid aromitization symptoms.

I’ve read from Bill Roberts in the past that carbohydrate rich diets are the way to go during a cycle, but Alpha Male is not going to be potent enough for PCT, although a few guys, Mikekats maybe, can’t remember, have said it could help, but the general consensus was to save your money and stick with clomid/nolvadex.

[quote]PMac73 wrote:
I’d say your diet is more important than the supplements. Supplements only supplement a well planned diet and exercise routine and form reading the AD thread (over 1100+ posts) I’d say that AD is the way to go.

You could use Alpha Male or a similar type product during bulking, Carbolin 19 during maintenance, and HOT-ROX during cutting.

Remember that these only support a strong base (diet and exercise).[/quote]

Thanks WguitarG, I appreciate it. My diet is in check, so I dont really need help with that, thanks anyways though.

Any other suggestions anyone?

Wait a sec, I am confused here. You had your first post with your first pics only 2 months ago:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=679956

In the thread you said,
“I’m looking for a supplement(s) to help me gain lean mass (alot if possible) while losing fat. I also need it to be safe(no steriods).”

Given the fact that you don’t look like you have put in much work to max out your genetic potential in the first place, why in the world are you looking into a cycle?

And suddenly you are OK with the concept of doing a cycle now after 2 months wanting to avoid?

Plus (leaving the best part for last)… YOU ARE 15! WTF are you doing even considering a cycle???

Color me confused.

i think Africa X is using one of the newer prosteorids…either way dude, you’re too fucking young to use that stuff! since you’re going through puberty, you already have a ton of testosterone (and estrogen, as well) pumping through your body, and now you’re going to fuck that up.

since you didn’t post what you’re using or how long you plan on using it, no body can really advise on PCT…try Crisco. i hear that makes ya really ripped.

Whoa! I had no idea this kid was 15 years old. Jesus man, what are you thinking. You are 150lb. I outweigh you by 75lbs and still haven’t dabbled in roids. Steroids should be the last thing on your mind, not to mention that fact that they can seal the growth plates of a child who is not fully developed yet. Just another case of a yonug buck who wants instant gratification, and will realize if he does take them that he’ll fall flat on his face for lack of food. What are you doing, riding the bicycle to your dealer? You are at least 6 years and a few pubes short of starting a steroid cycle my friend. Wait until you have come close to maximizing your genetic potential before diving in now.

Put it this way, the more advanced you get, the harder it will be to progress, so why waste some of the most advanced methods of putting on muscle at 15? You’ll leave no room for progression later in your lifting career.

The best advice I can give you is to eat your skinny little butt off and kill the weights for another decade or so before venturing into some dangerous waters.

I understand where you guys are coming from, but let me get this straight. I also posted it in the supplements and nutrition section becuase what I am going to be taking is not a steroid. I can understand how you guys got confused though. I am have learned and am eating more now, 5000+ calories a day.

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[quote]Africa x wrote:
I understand where you guys are coming from, but let me get this straight. I also posted it in the supplements and nutrition section becuase what I am going to be taking is not a steroid. I can understand how you guys got confused though. I am have learned and am eating more now, 5000+ calories a day. [/quote]

And the products you are asking about are not intended to be used until you are at least 18 years old!

Please read and put the idea of supplements on the back burner for now.

I fully understand the consequences to taking these supplements at my age(which is now 16). It also seems everything other than a multivitamin is not intended until the age of 18. Thanks for everyones input.

What are you talking about. Non-steroidal supplements do not require PCT. What are yo going to be taking?

[quote]Africa x wrote:
I fully understand the consequences to taking these supplements at my age(which is now 16). It also seems everything other than a multivitamin is not intended until the age of 18. Thanks for everyones input.[/quote]

LOL That is an interesting jump in reasoning. (1) Seemingly everything which is not a multi-vitamins is not suggested for people under 18. (2) Steroids are not suggested for people under 18. (3) BUT, if ANY of the stuff suggested for people under 18 should be OK, then steroids should be OK too? Am I following your logic (or lack thereof) here?

You really don’t understand the consequences of your actions because at 15… pardon me… 16 you seem to think you are bulletproof anyway. Why on earth are you deciding to take this kind of product when your body is manufacturing more testosterone than it even knows what to do with right now?

I have seen all your previous posts and you purposefully are vague because you don’t want anyone to get at your true intentions… because you know we would tell you its nuts. You seem to think we are supposed to give you answers just because you ask, regardless of the circumstances. Sorry - doesn’t work that way around here.

Doesn’t the fact that everyone with some knowledge on the topic is telling you what a mistake it is to do this at your age make ANY difference at all?

So, to sum up your plan… at 16 years old, your body is a testosterone factory, and you’re going to pay someone a lot of money to give you something that will shut it down. Not a great idea.

[quote]Africa x wrote:
I understand where you guys are coming from, but let me get this straight. I also posted it in the supplements and nutrition section becuase what I am going to be taking is not a steroid. I can understand how you guys got confused though. I am have learned and am eating more now, 5000+ calories a day. [/quote]

The high calorie diet is good. As stated before you being fifteen your testosterone levels are sky high, I think you should lift as heavy as possible use creatine to boost your strength.

The more wieght you lift the bigger you muscles will get. Lightly warm up and then find the heavyest weight you can lift for 4 to 6 reps x3 sets, the 8-10 reps x3 sets, find the weight that you reach complete failure. Also work out 1 body part a week, concentrate on the basic lifts being-squats-bench-dead lifts ect… don’t get to fancy because right now you are building your foundation.
God bless

[quote]Africa x wrote:
I understand where you guys are coming from, but let me get this straight. I also posted it in the supplements and nutrition section becuase what I am going to be taking is not a steroid. I can understand how you guys got confused though. I am have learned and am eating more now, 5000+ calories a day. [/quote]

Pick 4 - 6 basic large compound movement excersises.
Pic the weight you can work with and keep good form.Use around 80 - 85% of your 1RM on each and do some heavy 8x3 workouts.{Set /Rep Bible}

For Example:

  1. Use either Squat or Deadlift to begin your work out Use good form and
    do 8 sets of 3
  2. Move to a Close Grip palm up pull down. 8 sets of 3
    3.Move to either dips or weighted dips
    8 sets of 3
    4.One my favorite exercises is the Incline Bench shrugs. I would get a bench and place it in a 80 degree angle. I would then lean against it chest down with my face above the top of the bench and shrug in that position. Dumbells worked the best for me. 8 sets of 3
    5 Do some heavy Rear delt Rows
    8 sets of 3.

That would give you a good overall basic full body workout.
You could change it up some,Just dont hinder your recovery
Do every excersise to failure on your 8th set.Only do this once per week then on other days you can work on a specific lagging body part.

Calves,Wrists, Grip strength ect ect…
Light weight Hig rep low intensity on some other excersises.
Ex:Pullups Forward and Reverse barbell curls.Cable Chest movements.Tricep pushdowns.Cable Curls to your forehead to name a few.

Suppliments outside of food.
Well at your age you have so much going for you that you HONESTLY dont need anything.Flinstone Chewable.That is literally it and that is pushing it.
If you have trouble sleeping ZMA wouldnt be a bad deal.

I did hear on “Double tap” that Chocolate Milk would be a great Post workout drink for you at your age. But Just lift Hard and Eat. :slight_smile:
Dont forget to take a scheduled break.
And Change things up periodically.
Keep a Log of your work and when you can hit the 6th rep on your 8th set then move the weight up 5 to even 10%.

Ok Ill stop now

Africa X, i second what Kuz said (again!)…btw, you still haven’t told us what mystery compound you plan o using.

i think you’re misunderstanding what we’re all saying…your body is manufacturing a ton of test, and will continue to do so for quite a while. in fact, gyno is pretty common for a lot of teenagers, because there is that much test floating around…basically, taking a steoridal compound will not help you now, but hinder any progess in the future. creatine, multivitamin, ZMA and protine…that’s really all you need.

Listen to these guys, man. You are too young to fuck with your hormones. Your body is pumping with enough now to grow like you want to. Eat big, lift big, rest, and repeat. Leave the anaboics alone until you’re at least 10 years older. You will only make things worse on yourself if your mess with them now.

Thanks for the info guys. My training is pretty much the exact same as you guys said.

Mon:Chest
Tues:arms
Thurs:shoulders
Fri:legs
Sat:back

I only use big compound movements(bench press, squat, dead, row) and never go above 8 for a set and usually never under 6. I always work the last set until utter failure and never do more than 3 or 4 excercises every workout(4 sets each). I’m glad I’m doing something relatively right.

BTW the compound I will be using is Superdrol. I know there are side effects and I have my liver protection and such in check, just wanted some info on good choices for PCT. Thanks all who commented though. BTW I already take ZMA and a multi.