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Best Arginine Supplement?

I’m getting ready to do a supplement order, and I’d like to start taking arginine.

I usually use all Biotest products, but they don’t make an arginine supplement like they do L-Leucine.

What brands or supplements do you guys recommend?

I’ve never had any results from l-Arginine. NOW foods makes a cheap supplement. Why are you interested in taking it?

i’m looking to up my levels of nitric oxide and i know that arginine is responsible for its production

Read this:

Save your $$$

wow. thanks a lot HG Thrower

this is exactly why i asked for advice

And now you have extra money for more fish oil and other things that actually… uh, work.

It’s win-win. (Unless you sell N.O. supps of course.)

exactly. thanks a lot guys

i feel like i’ve been fuckin tricked for all this time now.

[quote]JHerm21 wrote:
exactly. thanks a lot guys

i feel like i’ve been fuckin tricked for all this time now. [/quote]
Most of us who have been training for some time have gotten swindled on at least one or 2 crap supps. Stick to the basics, and you’ll be fine.

So hard to convince people against these NO2/arginine shit. I got guy where i work [gym] sitting there jerking off their biceps talking to me about a pump from the NO2 shit. What do you say to a guy like that that doesnt involve euthanasia?

In other news: if you are looking for a really strong pre work out supp to get you somewhere between GI Joe and “This is sparta!” then I’d try Alpha-GPC and Surge Workout Fuel. Shit works bombs for me, almost too good as when i dont have it i feel as though I’m pulling all my weights through mash potatoes.

-chris

Well, it is not entirely true that Biotest doesn’t make an arginine product. They included citrulline malate in Surge Workout Fuel, Anaconda, and Mag-10.

Citrulline malate actually increases arginine levels more than arginine itself. It also has ammonia and lactic acid scavenging as well as ATP and phosphocreatine regenerating abilities. This combines nicely with creatine and beta alanine for ergogenic effects and you will still receive the ‘pump’.

Briefly the main workout supplements:

Protein/Amino Acids: whey isolate, whey hydrosylate, casein hydosylate, luecine, isoleucine, valine, etc.

CHO: dextrose, maltodextrin, palitinose, rice oligodextrin, (glutamine and glycine in low carb)

Energy Ergogens: Creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate

Nootropics: caffeine, Alpha-GPC, Spike products, this can be a very long list as such products are personalized

Electrolytes: sodium, potassium, magnesium, phosphrous, chloride

Most workout supplementation strategies will have something from each category and can range from a cup of coffee, whey, a pinch of salt, creatine, and a banana to the full blown Anaconda Protocol.

If you are looking to try citrulline malate on its own, it can be had for a reasonable price, dosing is 6-8g pre and during workout. Primaforce has a 200g tin for 20 something, and Scivation Xtend contains it with BCAAs if that is in your agenda, otherwise, the Biotest Supplements mentioned above might fill your arginine needs and then some (particularly Workout Fuel which seems out of stock).

[quote]Peter Orban wrote:
Well, it is not entirely true that Biotest doesn’t make an arginine product. They included citrulline malate in Surge Workout Fuel, Anaconda, and MAG-10.

Citrulline malate actually increases arginine levels more than arginine itself. It also has ammonia and lactic acid scavenging as well as ATP and phosphocreatine regenerating abilities. This combines nicely with creatine and beta alanine for ergogenic effects and you will still receive the ‘pump’.

Briefly the main workout supplements:

Protein/Amino Acids: whey isolate, whey hydrosylate, casein hydosylate, luecine, isoleucine, valine, etc.

CHO: dextrose, maltodextrin, palitinose, rice oligodextrin, (glutamine and glycine in low carb)

Energy Ergogens: Creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate

Nootropics: caffeine, Alpha-GPC, Spike products, this can be a very long list as such products are personalized

Electrolytes: sodium, potassium, magnesium, phosphrous, chloride

Most workout supplementation strategies will have something from each category and can range from a cup of coffee, whey, a pinch of salt, creatine, and a banana to the full blown Anaconda Protocol.

If you are looking to try citrulline malate on its own, it can be had for a reasonable price, dosing is 6-8g pre and during workout. Primaforce has a 200g tin for 20 something, and Scivation Xtend contains it with BCAAs if that is in your agenda, otherwise, the Biotest Supplements mentioned above might fill your arginine needs and then some (particularly Workout Fuel which seems out of stock).[/quote]

This is off topic , but your avatar is just plain crazy…in a good way. Your from canada too? Doesn’t that cost extra shipping + customs?

I have to agree…the basics hard work and determination have definitely gotten me more gains than any magic supplement has.

In the short amount of time that i’ve been using Biotest products, i’ve really been impressed. I’ve been taking Surge Recovery, the Micronized Creatine and Metabolic Drive Complete…I’m going to try the Surge workout fuel as soon as it gets back in stock.

I really appreciate the advice

@ zooropa:

title - Empties
artist - Peter Orban
date - 2007?
media - plastic, glass, and steel in a recycle pile

I live close to the border and have a US shipping addy (that’s right free shipping), back then I was 20 miles from Blaine Washington, now 3, last year I walked over to pick up my Rhodiola. You just report the purchase and pay the 5% GST (Canadian federal Goods and Services Tax). Sometimes they accidentally put it in the wrong category and try to collect the provincial sales tax too, but polite and insistent reclassification demands are usually quickly and begrudgingly met. I assume when they harmonize the sales taxes by the summer, I will have to pay an extra 7% for the provincial tax, but it will be less than half the price I have seen it for in the stores.

Sometimes they ask questions, and once they even opened a tin of Metabolic Drive, but considering what customs is like outside North America, it is a breeze.

@ JHerm21:

We appreciate giving advice to those who listen. Sometimes it is hard to convince people of things like the NO2 and ‘energy’ type supplements being over-rated because there is usually a large ‘feel’ component to these supplements (usually caffeine) as opposed to real long term performance and recovery effects. These supplements are also very cheap to manufacture compared to something like workout fuel, so there is a lot of money left over for advertisement without killing the profit margin.

Arginine never did anything for me.

is it better to stay away from stims other than caffiene and between the other stems like 1,3 di, yohim hcl, synephrine, which is the best and safest and when ordering Alpha-GPC in bulk is it ok you just add it to any liquid. figure 1 gram per workout

[quote]JHerm21 wrote:
I usually use all Biotest products, but they don’t make an arginine supplement like they do L-Leucine.[/quote]

Probably b/c they don’t want to waste their time and efforts stressing a placebo effect.

[quote]awstephens1 wrote:
is it better to stay away from stims other than caffiene and between the other stems like 1,3 di, yohim hcl, synephrine, which is the best and safest and when ordering Alpha-GPC in bulk is it ok you just add it to any liquid. figure 1 gram per workout
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I think there should be a couple more "."s in there.

@ Peter O. Awesome avatar dude. Especially diggin’ the Red Stripe case, haha!