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Berardi Phone Consultation?

I am thinking of purchssing the 1 hour phone conversation with Dr. John Berardi. It costs $200 do you guys think it is worth it?

I have no clue what Mr Berardi is going to tell you, but the answer is deffinately: No.

Why waste 200$ (two-houndred-fucking-dollars) on a 1hour phone conversation when you can use this site and read Berardi’s stuff or buy a book or two instead.

[quote]JBR wrote:
I have no clue what Mr Berardi is going to tell you, but the answer is deffinately: No.

Why waste 200$ (two-houndred-fucking-dollars) on a 1hour phone conversation when you can use this site and read Berardi’s stuff or buy a book or two instead.[/quote]

Exactly. And don’t think that what he tells you will magically transform your body. It won’t. Whatever he tells you will still depend on you and your efforts. And yes, he will tell you to eat more.

Don’t waste your time. Getting in shape isn’t hard

-Stay in a calorie deficit, but not too low (Probably around 2000-2500 for a women who is exercising)
-Keep insulin levels in check (Good fat with every meal, don’t listen to that P+C P+F crap)
-Eat a high protein diet along with loads of salad/veg)
-Do weights and cardio for a combined time of about 5-7 hours a week
-Have a scoop of whey while working out. Followed by a solid food meal 30 mins later.

While Berardi’s principles are good they are not the be all end all, and his 1 hour phone session certainly isn’t going to change your body or find you that magic bullet.

Relax just keep livin

It depends.

Have you reached your goals yet? Are you on your way? Do you need a bit extra motivation or one-on-one attention?

Sometimes people need that direct interaction to help push them just a bit more.

How much is an hour of your time worth?

Will talking with JB save you $200.00 worth of frustration, missed steps, or confusion regarding nutrition over the course of your life?

If it does, I’d think it’d definitely be worth it, don’t you?

I’m not positive, but I’d imagine the conversation would be a little more highly individualized than just regurgitating verbatim information you could find in an article.

But don’t take everything I say (or the others on this thread) as truth and insight into what you should do.

The simple fact that you just asked this question leads me to believe that you think you may benefit.

So, if you have the money and you think you can learn a little something (or a lot) more than what’s posted in an article, then I say go for it.

Just my opinion, though.

-Nate

[quote]JBR wrote:
I have no clue what Mr Berardi is going to tell you…
[/quote]

Then how can you possibly say that it’s definitely not worth it?

[quote]
Why waste 200$ (two-houndred-fucking-dollars) on a 1hour phone conversation when you can use this site and read Berardi’s stuff or buy a book or two instead.[/quote]

It’s up to the OP to determine whether or not it’s a ‘waste’ or if he’s ‘investing’ in a $200.00 phone consultation.

-Nate

Here is the thing. Trainers need to make a living just like everyone else. Right now we live in a time when there is TONS of nutritional and training information all over the internet (for free) and bookstores (for cheap) that they have to compete against.

Many have turned to popular introductory business books to get a marketing advantage, and that’s why we’ve lately been hearing so much about “opportunity cost” and the likes.

Add to the combo the self-doubt that they put into their clients by asking them if they really know everything there is to know about training/nutrition and you have a recipe for a $200/hour PHONE CONSULTATION!

Keep in mind that this isn’t even a face to face consultation where they actually see you or the way you lift! (On a side note: How much would you trust a medical examination if it was done by phone?)

That being said, I’m not against people getting professional help, but what makes you think that JB is the only authority on the subject? Listen, there are tons of sport nutrition experts out there (Just because someone hasn’t published an article doesn’t make them less qualified, it just means they haven’t taken their career in that direction).

Also note that there are guys out there in their 60s who are very well known, have more training experience and accomplishments in sport than just about anyone here who would give you advice for free!

So going back to Nate’s question : Would a phone call save you tons of head aches and grievances? If yes, call someone, but not all calls cost $200 per hour and THAT DOESNT MAKE THE PERSON YOU CALL LESS QUALIFIED.

Like everything else - shop around and buyer beware.

First question: Why do you think you need a phone consultation? What do you expect to get out of it. I couldn’t care less what your answers are; but you need to answer them before making the call to get something out of it.

Are you already eating 5-6 meals a day, getting enough protein in, etc.? If you are not even doing this, WTF good would a phone call be?

How much money do you make in an hour and how ignorant are you? If you make $200 or more, then it would be worth it. Your time would be too valuable to spend researching this stuff on your own.

Then again, one reason to do the leg work yourself is because you will better retain the information. I make a pretty high hourly rate but prefer digging for stuff on my own: It’s my hobby and it relaxes me. Maybe it would relax you, too. Who knows.

If you make $10 an hour, then you’d need to work 20 hours (more, actually, once you factor in taxes) to pay for that one phone call. Can Berardi do for you in one hour that you couldn’t do for yourself in twenty hours? If so, it’s worth it.

Does the $200 include an eating program, or just a talk? If it’s just a talk, it sounds like a very expensive lecture.

Are you a “special needs” person, i.e., do you suffer from depression or suffer from some other issue such that you need extremely specific advice? Are you a pro athlete who needs that extra 5% to perform better? If so, it would be well-worth the money.

If you like Berardi’s stuff, Precision Nutrition costs $100 and you get access to their forums. Will you learn more in that one hour talk than you would by reading PN, which is half as costly?

In general, most (like 85%) people do not need to spend $200 on a phone call. Nutrition is not that hard and you do not need to be very smart to learn how to eat properly. However, those who make a lot of money per hour and those with special needs would benefit from a consultation.

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Okay, so I just read some of your prior posts. You are utterly rudderless. In the few posts I pulled, you are talking about doing four dieting and exercise different programs:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=925932&pageNo=8#1580235

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1591066&pageNo=0#1591066

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1576049&pageNo=0#1576049

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1567388&pageNo=0#1568156

You also noted in your first post: “I have been working out for 5 years and each sumer I try to get lean for lifeguarding. I want to look cut with my shirt off. I am by no means a novice I know a lot about fitness and nutrition. Each year I try to stay reatively lean while gaining size.”

Based on your stats and your prior posts, you know pretty much NOTHING. You do not even have the BASICS down. Why are you even worried about a phone consultation? I doubt you could even carry on an intelligent conversation about nutrition.

Your best bet is likely to buy Precision Nutrition. It’s around one-hundred bucks and covers all of the basics.

Learn the basics first.

[quote]Nate Green wrote:
JBR wrote:
I have no clue what Mr Berardi is going to tell you…

Then how can you possibly say that it’s definitely not worth it?

[/quote]

I’m not even going to start this debate with you. 200$… it should be self explanatory.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Okay, so I just read some of your prior posts. You are utterly rudderless. In the few posts I pulled, you are talking about doing four dieting and exercise different programs:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=925932&pageNo=8#1580235

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1591066&pageNo=0#1591066

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1576049&pageNo=0#1576049

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1567388&pageNo=0#1568156

You also noted in your first post: “I have been working out for 5 years and each sumer I try to get lean for lifeguarding. I want to look cut with my shirt off. I am by no means a novice I know a lot about fitness and nutrition. Each year I try to stay reatively lean while gaining size.”

Based on your stats and your prior posts, you know pretty much NOTHING. You do not even have the BASICS down. Why are you even worried about a phone consultation? I doubt you could even carry on an intelligent conversation about nutrition.

Your best bet is likely to buy Precision Nutrition. It’s around one-hundred bucks and covers all of the basics.

Learn the basics first.[/quote]

I happen to have a lot of knowledge in the fitness related field. I am just not seeing the results that I would like to see. The problem is that there is so much information out there that I don’t know which source to use.

I thought that if I talked to the man directly I could gain a little knowledge. I would gladly put my knowledge of anything up against yours. Thanks for not helping and trying to belittle me. I would like to see pics of your body to compare to mine just to see what the difference is.

Seeing how you are hung-up on getting advice from JB - listen to this:

[quote]John Berardi said:

Even at an elite level of athleticism, there are only 10% of people who need to stress over the details. Most people think they’re there when they’re not. You have to understand whether you’re a part of the 90% or the 10%.[/quote]

Take a moment to let that sink in.

Which group do you fall into?

[quote]matt_t2004 wrote:
I happen to have a lot of knowledge in the fitness related field. I am just not seeing the results that I would like to see. The problem is that there is so much information out there that I don’t know which source to use.

I thought that if I talked to the man directly I could gain a little knowledge. I would gladly put my knowledge of anything up against yours. Thanks for not helping and trying to belittle me. I would like to see pics of your body to compare to mine just to see what the difference is.[/quote]

You may know a lot of shit, but you apparently have no basic clue how to put it together. That makes all of your “knowledge” pretty damn useless. Most of the people on the forum or anywhere else make this much more complicated than it needs to be. Much of that is because they want to avoid the basics and skip right into the major leagues.

It doesn’t work that way. You can’t constantly keep dieting down for the summer and expect to make much long term progress. There has to be some period where you are simply working on gaining size and strength. That may take years but you can’t simply skip that part.

There was another poster a week ago asking for studies so he could learn about lifting and nutrition. People like that (and YOU) seem to think people go to school for several years at a university for no damn reason.

You have to learn the basics. Those basics are more important than any of the other “advanced shit” you have crammed into your head and will get more people to their goal.

Unless you are an elite athlete, this has never been that complicated.

[quote]YourXLNS wrote:
Seeing how you are hung-up on getting advice from JB - listen to this:

John Berardi said:

Even at an elite level of athleticism, there are only 10% of people who need to stress over the details. Most people think they’re there when they’re not. You have to understand whether you’re a part of the 90% or the 10%.

Take a moment to let that sink in.

Which group do you fall into? [/quote]

Great Post.

[quote]matt_t2004 wrote:
I happen to have a lot of knowledge in the fitness related field. I am just not seeing the results that I would like to see. The problem is that there is so much information out there that I don’t know which source to use.[/quote]

If you cannot separate the wheat from the chaff, you DO NOT have a lot of knowledge. People with a lot of knowledge know what works and what doesn’t. There isn’t a great sense of confusion or “information overload.”

Buy precision nutrition.

[quote]shadowmoses wrote:
Don’t waste your time. Getting in shape isn’t hard

-Stay in a calorie deficit, but not too low (Probably around 2000-2500 for a women who is exercising)
-Keep insulin levels in check (Good fat with every meal, don’t listen to that P+C P+F crap)
-Eat a high protein diet along with loads of salad/veg)
-Do weights and cardio for a combined time of about 5-7 hours a week
-Have a scoop of whey while working out. Followed by a solid food meal 30 mins later.

While Berardi’s principles are good they are not the be all end all, and his 1 hour phone session certainly isn’t going to change your body or find you that magic bullet.

Relax just keep livin

[/quote]

haha I think he thought this guy was a woman.
That’s the best post.

You can either spend $0.00 and read JB’s (and other people’s) articles, and get basic gist of his message. You can then apply those principles to your own situation.

Or you can spend a shit-load of money and bring in JB as a nutrition specialist and have him create a tailor-made program made specially for you, and almost certainly get results.

Spending $200 for a one-hour phone call is the worst of both worlds. You are going to get virtually nothing out of that one hour phone call that you couldn’t get for free on your own, and you’re spending a good chunk of change for that nothing.

Plus, I remember you from that G-Flux thread. Guy, you don’t need to be cutting! You don’t have much of anything to show off underneath your fat and to top it off, you’re not fat if you’re a legit 13%.

Spending effort getting “ripped” would be wasted energy for you since it wouldn’t result in a drastic improvement in your appearance.

Wasting $200 so JB can ‘help’ you waste some effort is stupid.

I just looked at the pictures in your profile.

You’re not fat at all. You don’t have any muscle at all.

Getting ripped would be a waste of your time and effort. If your goals are to attract high school girls at the beach, all you need to do is get a tan.

If you’re actually serious, you need to start eating a lot and lifting heavy shit.