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Behind the Music: Pantera

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Urgh, Pantera was a terrible band

end yourself.

I like good metal, not whiny unmusical mainstream bullshit

you make me sad, real sad. Not to mention death/black metal are the equivalent of punk to the rock scene. Simply put I like the genres but there is a lack of musical talent in contrast to thrash and power metal. Not to mention that post reaks of being elitist because a band was SO FUCKING GREAT it revived the metal scene in the 90s. Which was dead from the rape Nirvana gave to just about every other music genre.[/quote]

So bands like Cynic who incorporate Jazz into their sound are like Punk? I am a metal elitist, I never denied that. Metal never died during the 90’s some of the best metal came out from 91’ to 93’, it’s only perceived that it died because it Glam was out of fashion in the mainstream.

[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:

Death Metal (true death metal) and thrash are close. Pantera is a good band, but not as good as people make them out to be and they definitely did not break any new ground. Stoner metal had been around since the 70’s.

Most of the people I know who hate Pantera hate them because of their ignorant, backwoods fanbase.

Stoner metal? Not that there’s anything wrong with stoner metal, but you say ‘stoner metal’ and I think Kyuss, Sabbath, COC, maybe Crowbar, Down… Pantera’s sound was too aggressive and TIGHT to be stoner metal – and that was due DIRECTLY to Dime and Vinnie. You say they ‘definitely did not break any new ground’. Maybe, maybe not. To me, their sound was unique – you hear a few notes and you know it’s Pantera. As a musician, I know how hard that is to do – damn near impossible.

Just out of curiosity, what you guys classify this band (Hostility) as? I know them all, which is why I’m curious…

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Hostility is not my cup of tea, but I guess they’re trying to be a death/thrash band but they seem to be really groove oriented? At least that’s what I see it as. Pantera’s sound wasn’t unique, Dimebag had killer tone, and had his own style. It’s not that hard to do, you basically just…well write.

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

So bands like Cynic who incorporate Jazz into their sound are like Punk? I am a metal elitist, I never denied that. Metal never died during the 90’s some of the best metal came out from 91’ to 93’, it’s only perceived that it died because it Glam was out of fashion in the mainstream.[/quote]

Exactly. The only people who think metal died with “Smells Like Teen Spirit” are the ones who learn about music by watching VH1.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Urgh, Pantera was a terrible band

end yourself.

I like good metal, not whiny unmusical mainstream bullshit

you make me sad, real sad. Not to mention death/black metal are the equivalent of punk to the rock scene. Simply put I like the genres but there is a lack of musical talent in contrast to thrash and power metal. Not to mention that post reaks of being elitist because a band was SO FUCKING GREAT it revived the metal scene in the 90s. Which was dead from the rape Nirvana gave to just about every other music genre.

You really dont know what youre talking about.

First off, lack of talent in Death Metal? Have you ever actually LISTENED to death metal or are you just going by what the kid who sits next to you in study hall said?

Death Metal (true death metal) and thrash are close. Pantera is a good band, but not as good as people make them out to be and they definitely did not break any new ground. Stoner metal had been around since the 70’s.

Most of the people I know who hate Pantera hate them because of their ignorant, backwoods fanbase.[/quote]

you see when people play the same few notes repeatedly on every song, it typically means they aren’t good at guitar.
Compair Rush to lets say, any death metal band.
Simply put, the best guitarists, bassists, drummers aren’t in that genre. There are a few exceptions but the genre is way simple compaired to most rock and lighter metal.

don’t argue, it’s retarded. you can’t win.

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
SinisterMinister wrote:

Death Metal (true death metal) and thrash are close. Pantera is a good band, but not as good as people make them out to be and they definitely did not break any new ground. Stoner metal had been around since the 70’s.

Most of the people I know who hate Pantera hate them because of their ignorant, backwoods fanbase.

Stoner metal? Not that there’s anything wrong with stoner metal, but you say ‘stoner metal’ and I think Kyuss, Sabbath, COC, maybe Crowbar, Down… Pantera’s sound was too aggressive and TIGHT to be stoner metal – and that was due DIRECTLY to Dime and Vinnie. You say they ‘definitely did not break any new ground’. Maybe, maybe not. To me, their sound was unique – you hear a few notes and you know it’s Pantera. As a musician, I know how hard that is to do – damn near impossible.

Just out of curiosity, what you guys classify this band (Hostility) as? I know them all, which is why I’m curious…

Hostility is not my cup of tea, but I guess they’re trying to be a death/thrash band but they seem to be really groove oriented? At least that’s what I see it as. Pantera’s sound wasn’t unique, Dimebag had killer tone, and had his own style. It’s not that hard to do, you basically just…well write.[/quote]

Dave M.criticized pantera with something along th lines of. “I won’t say who but a band with the spanish name of “panther”, took a style of guitar me and james hettfield produced years earlier and got famous for it.”

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Urgh, Pantera was a terrible band

end yourself.

I like good metal, not whiny unmusical mainstream bullshit

Says the guy who listens to…Nevermore?

Yep. Jeff Loomis is a god on guitar.[/quote]

vouch.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
SinisterMinister wrote:

Death Metal (true death metal) and thrash are close. Pantera is a good band, but not as good as people make them out to be and they definitely did not break any new ground. Stoner metal had been around since the 70’s.

Most of the people I know who hate Pantera hate them because of their ignorant, backwoods fanbase.

Stoner metal? Not that there’s anything wrong with stoner metal, but you say ‘stoner metal’ and I think Kyuss, Sabbath, COC, maybe Crowbar, Down… Pantera’s sound was too aggressive and TIGHT to be stoner metal – and that was due DIRECTLY to Dime and Vinnie. You say they ‘definitely did not break any new ground’. Maybe, maybe not. To me, their sound was unique – you hear a few notes and you know it’s Pantera. As a musician, I know how hard that is to do – damn near impossible.

Just out of curiosity, what you guys classify this band (Hostility) as? I know them all, which is why I’m curious…

Hostility is not my cup of tea, but I guess they’re trying to be a death/thrash band but they seem to be really groove oriented? At least that’s what I see it as. Pantera’s sound wasn’t unique, Dimebag had killer tone, and had his own style. It’s not that hard to do, you basically just…well write.

Dave M.criticized pantera with something along th lines of. “I won’t say who but a band with the spanish name of “panther”, took a style of guitar me and james hettfield produced years earlier and got famous for it.”[/quote]

If they weren’t unique, who did they take their sound from? Dave M is just still butt-hurt that he isn’t still in Metallica. Dime was INFLUENCED by Het/Mustaine, but certainly wasn’t overly derivative. And as for ‘not that hard, just, well…write’, that’s ridiculous. Playing guitar isn’t the hard part. Coming up with a riff isn’t tough. But consistently coming up with GREAT ORIGINAL material is extremely difficult. And Dime had more great riffs in a song like ‘Revolution Is My Name’ than most metal guitarists put on an album.

[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
SinisterMinister wrote:

Death Metal (true death metal) and thrash are close. Pantera is a good band, but not as good as people make them out to be and they definitely did not break any new ground. Stoner metal had been around since the 70’s.

Most of the people I know who hate Pantera hate them because of their ignorant, backwoods fanbase.

Stoner metal? Not that there’s anything wrong with stoner metal, but you say ‘stoner metal’ and I think Kyuss, Sabbath, COC, maybe Crowbar, Down… Pantera’s sound was too aggressive and TIGHT to be stoner metal – and that was due DIRECTLY to Dime and Vinnie. You say they ‘definitely did not break any new ground’. Maybe, maybe not. To me, their sound was unique – you hear a few notes and you know it’s Pantera. As a musician, I know how hard that is to do – damn near impossible.

Just out of curiosity, what you guys classify this band (Hostility) as? I know them all, which is why I’m curious…

Hostility is not my cup of tea, but I guess they’re trying to be a death/thrash band but they seem to be really groove oriented? At least that’s what I see it as. Pantera’s sound wasn’t unique, Dimebag had killer tone, and had his own style. It’s not that hard to do, you basically just…well write.

Dave M.criticized pantera with something along th lines of. “I won’t say who but a band with the spanish name of “panther”, took a style of guitar me and james hettfield produced years earlier and got famous for it.”

If they weren’t unique, who did they take their sound from? Dave M is just still butt-hurt that he isn’t still in Metallica. Dime was INFLUENCED by Het/Mustaine, but certainly wasn’t overly derivative. And as for ‘not that hard, just, well…write’, that’s ridiculous. Playing guitar isn’t the hard part. Coming up with a riff isn’t tough. But consistently coming up with GREAT ORIGINAL material is extremely difficult. And Dime had more great riffs in a song like ‘Revolution Is My Name’ than most metal guitarists put on an album.
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I don’t disagree with you. I merely posted a quote.

Dave is a douche who needs to stop picking fights with every other band in existance.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

So bands like Cynic who incorporate Jazz into their sound are like Punk? I am a metal elitist, I never denied that. Metal never died during the 90’s some of the best metal came out from 91’ to 93’, it’s only perceived that it died because it Glam was out of fashion in the mainstream.

Exactly. The only people who think metal died with “Smells Like Teen Spirit” are the ones who learn about music by watching VH1.[/quote]

So, if nirvana never existed there wouldn’t of been more good metal bands? haha I call bullshit. They raped the rock genre too. It’s not about none, it’s about there would of been more.

edit: do any of you play guitar, bass or drums? If yo did you wouldn’t of acted like I raped your mother when I said there is a lack of talent in that genre compared to others.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

So, if nirvana never existed there wouldn’t of been more good metal bands? haha I call bullshit. They raped the rock genre too. It’s not about none, it’s about there would of been more.[/quote]

Do you think that Nirvana ate up any of Death Metal’s market? Death metal was never part of the commercial market and will never follow the patterns that govern commercial music. Thats like trying to relate the cocaine market to the sale of miniskirts. Exhibit 1 that you dont know what youre talking about.

You are really proving how much you dont know here. Many people feel that death metal was at its peak around 93-two whole years after Nevermind came out.

mayhem, burzum, satyricon, dimmu borgier, immortal, darkthrone, enslaved, emperor, marduk, dissection, beherit, impaled nazarene, carcass, in flames, dark tranquility, at the gates, afflicted, entombed, amon amarth, unleashed, tiamat, cryptosy, edge of sanity, opeth, origin, sadist, cynic, atheist, pestilence, gorguts, necrophagist, spawn of posession, death, cannibal corpse, deicide, devourment, disgorge, hate eternal, nile, skinless, suffocation, autopsy, incantaion, asphyx, my dying bride, paradise lost, disembowelment, mayhem, behemoth, belphegor, angelcorpse, zyklon, sacramentum, napalm death, bolt thrower, morbid angel, obituary, sepultura, pestilence

Yeah. No death metal bands did well in the 90’s. Exhibit number 2.

The fact that you described death metal as “the same note played over and over again” is more proof. Exhibit number 3.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

edit: do any of you play guitar, bass or drums? If yo did you wouldn’t of acted like I raped your mother when I said there is a lack of talent in that genre compared to others.[/quote]

Iv played guitar for 5 years now and spent 2 of them playing in technical/progressive metal bands. We responded the way we did because you are WRONG. My brother is 17 years old and plays in a deathcore band and his bass fills would make you shit your teeth. And he cleans more than you squat.

Listen to this track and tell me that there is a lack of talent. Im talking technical ability, not your subjective view of what “sounds good”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPVlErQIlg

Pantera kills. Mouth For War is my fucking anthem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugmxdT5qnE4

Metal is making a resurgence. I’m ALL for it :smiley:

In the more “mainstream” acts, I have much respect for Lamb of God.

Vigil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLIwjKXxRg

The Subtle Arts of Murder and Persuasion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOthQVwM2wM&feature=related

I’m a bass player playing Jazz since 8th grade, so I say about 5-6 years now. Nirvana didn’t kill any metal, glam pretty much sucked and was going to implode anyway. I don’t consider glam to be any type of metal.

Anyway, I’m going back to learn a simple metal song called Only Ash remains. Damn that intro sounds neoclassically, but then again what do I know? I’ve only beeen taught theory and application for years, but some kid in high school says I’m stupid, and that all death is like really fast punk rawk.

Fuck off newbie.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPVlErQIlg

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Ha, I almost have that bass fill down, fucking hard haha. My tech death might be planning on covering it strongtitties.

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Urgh, Pantera was a terrible band

end yourself.

I like good metal, not whiny unmusical mainstream bullshit

Says the guy who listens to…Nevermore?

Yep. Jeff Loomis is a god on guitar.[/quote]

And Dime was chopped liver?

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

edit: do any of you play guitar, bass or drums? If yo did you wouldn’t of acted like I raped your mother when I said there is a lack of talent in that genre compared to others.

Iv played guitar for 5 years now and spent 2 of them playing in technical/progressive metal bands. We responded the way we did because you are WRONG. My brother is 17 years old and plays in a deathcore band and his bass fills would make you shit your teeth. And he cleans more than you squat.

Listen to this track and tell me that there is a lack of talent. Im talking technical ability, not your subjective view of what “sounds good”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPVlErQIlg

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Fucking cookie monster vocals. Can someone please explain that shit to me? I mean…“Roh-Roh-Rohhhhhhhhhhhh!” That’s like the equivalent to singing falsetto.

[quote]analog_kid wrote:

Fucking cookie monster vocals. Can someone please explain that shit to me? I mean…“Roh-Roh-Rohhhhhhhhhhhh!” That’s like the equivalent to singing falsetto.

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I guess you missed the part where I said “technical ability”.

If DEATH METAL vocals in DEATH METAL arent your thing, thats fine, dont listen to it, but dont criticize the other 4/5 of the band and call them talentless like our prepubescent friend here.

BTW, Freddie Mercury sang in falsetto and Queen pwns.

All this new metal… ugh. Whatever happened to metal where dudes actually SANG and you were impressed with their RANGE? There are a lot of great metal bands out there, but they’re being ruined by shitty vocals.

[quote]analog_kid wrote:

Fucking cookie monster vocals. Can someone please explain that shit to me? I mean…“Roh-Roh-Rohhhhhhhhhhhh!” That’s like the equivalent to singing falsetto.

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Not trying to shit on anyone’s music. Listen to what you want but that’s a funny ass description analog.

lol