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Behind the Music: Pantera

Well its been 4 years and I still cry when watching it.

Thats kinda sad but that band was HUGH in my life from middle school and high school.

Any other dimbag fans here?

[quote]DF85 wrote:
Well its been 4 years and I still cry when watching it.

Thats kinda sad but that band was HUGH in my life from middle school and high school.

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You mean… like Hefner?

Ill check my spelling when I get a paycheck for posting.

RIP DIME.

crucified for no sin…

-Cemetery Gates

well actually he was shot but w/e

[quote]Otep wrote:
DF85 wrote:
Well its been 4 years and I still cry when watching it.

Thats kinda sad but that band was HUGH in my life from middle school and high school.

You mean… like Hefner?[/quote]

I still remember when my JV football coach would type up the scouting reports and every other player on the opposing team that week was described as ‘HUGH.’ I thought the same thing.

Why is the second A in Pantera capitalized?

thats how the log was.

If you expect to do things correctly only if someone pays you for it, you will never be successful in anything. Have some pride, that will take you a lot further than a dollar.

I don’t cry at the fact that Dime is dead, but I do miss him/his music a lot. Pantera was a very good influence on a lot of the heavier bands today (which there aren’t a whole lot of anymore). Pantera was one of the few bands that could actually calm me down when I listened to them. The music always had a way of getting me in the right mood. Phil fucked that all up.

Yep, in fact a radio station I was listening to today played “Smells like a Teen Spirit” and “Walk” back-to-back and it struck me how I had just been listening to the work of two dead men.

What I’ve always said has affected me the most about Dimebag’s murder is the fact that he was shot right in front of his brother. I have two younger brothers and I just cant imagine what it must’ve been and still be like for Vinnie Paul to watch his brother executed like that. Just terribly tragic.

Although not a fan of Pantera, that was one of the “choke me up” moments I can recall. Just a vile horrible act. RIP Dimebag.

Getcha’ Pull.

I was a huge PanterA fan growing up and still rock their shit every once in awhile. What made me the most angry about watching that was seeing drugged out, burned out Phil Anselmo lying his ass off incoherently, barely able to keep his eyes open. Still, Phil walks a lucky line going onto yet another successful time period in his life post PanterA.

Down’s “Over the Under” was a very successful album and it makes me angry that a piece of shit like him gets success when he should be face down in his own vomit in some alleyway in New Orleans. I blame Phil for as to why PanterA broke up. His addiction and behavior is the reason.

Dimebag was our generation’s true guitar innovator. He made sounds out of that thing that most never thought possible.

I still love Pantera, nothing like blasting “Walk” right before pulling a HUGH deadlift.

RIP DIME!!!

Yeah, Pantera was a big deal for me too. When Vulgar Display of Power came out…holy shit, that was like THE album.

The 90s were such a fucking awesome time for metal. I think metal needs another 90s. You know?

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
Yeah, Pantera was a big deal for me too. When Vulgar Display of Power came out…holy shit, that was like THE album.

The 90s were such a fucking awesome time for metal. I think metal needs another 90s. You know?[/quote]

Metal is in another “'90’s”, you just need to stop listening to what’s being pushed on you by mainstream, BillBoard “rock” stations and check out bands for yourself through the Internetz. Right now we’re witnessing a revival of ThrasH (for example), which had all but died with the bastardizing of MetallicA by Bob Rock and corporate radio. Plenty of great metal out there, and it’s not played by Korn, Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Drowning Pool and Slipknot.

Remember: All the good metal these days ISN’T on the radio, and with good reason.

Today my ipod went dead so I grabbed my backup mp3 player which i haven’t used in probably a year and forgot just how good vulgar display of power is, then great southern trendkill came on…great albums.

[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
I was a huge PanterA fan growing up and still rock their shit every once in awhile. What made me the most angry about watching that was seeing drugged out, burned out Phil Anselmo lying his ass off incoherently, barely able to keep his eyes open. Still, Phil walks a lucky line going onto yet another successful time period in his life post PanterA.

Down’s “Over the Under” was a very successful album and it makes me angry that a piece of shit like him gets success when he should be face down in his own vomit in some alleyway in New Orleans. I blame Phil for as to why PanterA broke up. His addiction and behavior is the reason.

Dimebag was our generation’s true guitar innovator. He made sounds out of that thing that most never thought possible.[/quote]

That’s the True Story right there. Did they bring this up very well in the special?

PA is a POS of the first order. Too bad the dumbass retard that shot the Dimer didn’t have the story straight.

Break-up a great band just 'cause you don’t want to straighten yourself out?! How selfish and self-centered is that?

Maybe some day PA will lay his white supremiscist crap on the wrong crowd. Ahhh… one can only hope.

[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
I was a huge PanterA fan growing up and still rock their shit every once in awhile. What made me the most angry about watching that was seeing drugged out, burned out Phil Anselmo lying his ass off incoherently, barely able to keep his eyes open. Still, Phil walks a lucky line going onto yet another successful time period in his life post PanterA.

Down’s “Over the Under” was a very successful album and it makes me angry that a piece of shit like him gets success when he should be face down in his own vomit in some alleyway in New Orleans. I blame Phil for as to why PanterA broke up. His addiction and behavior is the reason.

Dimebag was our generation’s true guitar innovator. He made sounds out of that thing that most never thought possible.

…which had all but died with the bastardizing of MetallicA by Bob Rock and corporate radio…[/quote]

See this is the conundrum tho. On the one hand we all regret the breakup of pantera, but on the other hand, bands that stay together forever inevitably do something that their fan-base (or a portion thereof) derides as “selling-out.” I mean holy hell, Peter Framton is doing ads for geico now - friggin GEICO! I’m of two minds on the subject, because while I dont think Metallica changed their style for the money, my favorite of all their albums (puppets) came out almost a quarter-century ago, so yes, I do like their old stuff better. Then again, is it fair to ask a band to improve EVERY SINGLE TIME they release an album? Hell, Justice wasnt that great of a departure, stylistically speaking, from puppets, but in my opinion doesnt even hold a candle to Puppets.

I do think that Phil probably started/provoked 90% of the conflicts that led to Pantera’s breakup, whatever specific problems those were. But as far as blaming him … I dunno, creative genius is a package, take it or leave it. I dont mean that if you’re a creative genius youre a jerk - dime, for my money is right up there with hendrix, and he was by all accounts a nice guy. But maybe if Phil didnt have as many demons, his lyrics wouldnt have been as powerful, his singing as impassioned/crazy/whatever. I think it’s hard to isolate singular aspects of a person’s personality and remove them without affecting what you had left. Everybody forgets that Pantera - Dime and Vinnie and I believe rex - released a few albums before CFH, but nothing worht mentioning until phil joined the band. Who knows how much of what Phil now says is for the benefit of the cameras, but it sounds like he’s changed direction in his life, and that’s worth noting.

[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
Yeah, Pantera was a big deal for me too. When Vulgar Display of Power came out…holy shit, that was like THE album.

The 90s were such a fucking awesome time for metal. I think metal needs another 90s. You know?

Metal is in another “'90’s”, you just need to stop listening to what’s being pushed on you by mainstream, BillBoard “rock” stations and check out bands for yourself through the Internetz. Right now we’re witnessing a revival of ThrasH (for example), which had all but died with the bastardizing of MetallicA by Bob Rock and corporate radio. Plenty of great metal out there, and it’s not played by Korn, Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Drowning Pool and Slipknot.

Remember: All the good metal these days ISN’T on the radio, and with good reason.

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Your fight is a good one, but I’m afraid that no matter how much you can point people towards the lesser or littler known gems of the music that is to be appreciated nowadays, they don’t seem to want to put in the effort. I’ve met so many people who claim that good music isn’t being made anymore. They all stopped listening in 1970,80,90…whatever.

Yes, there are a tremendous amount of bands from those era’s that will never be matched for what they were, but I don’t understand why this has to be at the total exclusion of music in the present, especially coupled with the fact that the music they are taking as ‘present day examples’ happen to be the worst possible tip of the whole collective iceberg that exists below the surface.

That’s the worst part, because you can’t even argue it with them. I love all the old stuff too…shit, I’m still uncovering things from the archives of yesteryears that spin my wheels. What I can’t do is just close my mind, screech the brakes, plug my ears and go lalalalalalalala to the mere suggestion that there are innovative, brilliant and under-appreciated songwriters, bands and musicians worthy of time and effort to discover. Granted they are further and fewer between, but if one claims to really be such an authority and so elite in their judgments of music, I would think it more a labor of love and personally I couldn’t even think to stop digging it out because the day I do is the day I’m surely not breathing.

But that’s just me. So anyway, I say if they don’t want to know forget about 'em.

Oh yeah…and as for Pantera, I was lucky enough to see them in concert with Dimebag. The whole thing is worse than a shame, and that behind the music is a pisser. On another note, I don’t think even one member of KISS would be worthy of being buried in a Dimebag Darrell coffin.

[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
Metal is in another “'90’s”, you just need to stop listening to what’s being pushed on you by mainstream, BillBoard “rock” stations and check out bands for yourself through the Internetz. Right now we’re witnessing a revival of ThrasH (for example), which had all but died with the bastardizing of MetallicA by Bob Rock and corporate radio. Plenty of great metal out there, and it’s not played by Korn, Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Drowning Pool and Slipknot.

Remember: All the good metal these days ISN’T on the radio, and with good reason.

[/quote]

You are right, but my problem is finding the new bands. I don’t know where to go.

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Your fight is a good one, but I’m afraid that no matter how much you can point people towards the lesser or littler known gems of the music that is to be appreciated nowadays, they don’t seem to want to put in the effort. I’ve met so many people who claim that good music isn’t being made anymore. They all stopped listening in 1970,80,90…whatever.

Yes, there are a tremendous amount of bands from those era’s that will never be matched for what they were, but I don’t understand why this has to be at the total exclusion of music in the present, especially coupled with the fact that the music they are taking as ‘present day examples’ happen to be the worst possible tip of the whole collective iceberg that exists below the surface.

That’s the worst part, because you can’t even argue it with them. I love all the old stuff too…shit, I’m still uncovering things from the archives of yesteryears that spin my wheels. What I can’t do is just close my mind, screech the brakes, plug my ears and go lalalalalalalala to the mere suggestion that there are innovative, brilliant and under-appreciated songwriters, bands and musicians worthy of time and effort to discover. Granted they are further and fewer between, but if one claims to really be such an authority and so elite in their judgments of music, I would think it more a labor of love and personally I couldn’t even think to stop digging it out because the day I do is the day I’m surely not breathing.

But that’s just me. So anyway, I say if they don’t want to know forget about 'em.

Oh yeah…and as for Pantera, I was lucky enough to see them in concert with Dimebag. The whole thing is worse than a shame, and that behind the music is a pisser. On another note, I don’t think even one member of KISS would be worthy of being buried in a Dimebag Darrell coffin.[/quote]

You are right. I think I have developed a habit of not wanting to look for new stuff, and stay in the comfort zone of yesteryear because it is mainly a problem of simply finding new stuff to listen to.

It goes one of two way for me. Either the music is good, and there is some really awful vocalist, or it is the other way around. Just disappointing mostly.

I mean, the 90s just churned out great metal band after great metal band. But now, you have a bunch of Slayer babies, or scream-o bullshit, or nu metal rap garbage, or these homo-singing melody bullshit homos that sound like 120 lb. 14 year old whiny little homos… I don’t know.

There seems to be NO good American metal bands anymore.