[quote]Dustin wrote:
No, the amount is quite significant. If you cared to do any research of your own, you’d see this. But, it is easier to believe what the mainstream media tells you. [/quote]
Research what? The number of kooky websites?
Are there legitimate statistics on how much of the general public believes the attack on 9-11 was perpetrated by the US government? Show me.
I have no idea how I ‘come across’, but I can tell you I don’t suffer fools gladly. As stated earlier, what was once a good forum has been infiltrated by naive twerps like you, and that is disappointing.
[quote]Oh, okay. In that case I guess the guy that put this site together didn’t apply common sense either. That, or he just loves to be ridiculed by people such as yourself.
http://911studies.com/911photostudies119.htm[/quote]
Let’s start at the beginning.
Conspiracy theories require really two things:
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A government with the most sinister and evil of mindsets
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Plausibility of getting conspiracies accomplished
Now, as for #1 - why presume the government, across several political parties, has this collective sinister mindset? What justifies it? Politicians are many things, and I am sure there are some who are legitimately sinister - but what motivates you to assume the government uniformly has that kind of mentality?
As for #2, this is where it really falls apart. How can a government accomplish with such brutal efficiency something like 9/11? It would take complicity among not only varying levels of government and agencies, but also political parties.
So, for starters, the presumption is dumb and the plausibility is next to nil.
But you - in your infinite gullibility - believe these things to be the starting point and ‘conspiracy’ is a rebuttable presumption: as in, I will believe in the conspiracy until someone proves it different.
Plainly stupid.
Don’t be dishonest - of course the questions are ridiculous. And as for your second contention, I have no idea what motivates these morons - but I suspect paranoia plus a desire for attention has something to do with it.
Lied to? Where?
No one has shown that Bush lied. And it doesn’t even make sense. For example, if you are thinking of the WMD claims, why would Bush lie about their existence only to invade Iraq and prove his claim wrong and make himself look bad? If he were half as nefarious as you think, why not plant WMDs in Iraq to make his lie come true?
No explanation?
What, are you Vroom or something? Certainly I am not cheerleading - I am happy to give you a list of all things I don’t like about the Bush administration.
[quote]No, of course the government would never harm or deceive Americans
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/lyon.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creel_Commission[/quote]
Pointless. What does that have to do with the specifics on the ground? What is hilarious is that you refer to ‘the government’ - well who? Democrats? Republicans? New Democrats? Rockefeller Republicans? Because it matters - they likely are not all on the same team at the same time.
I have seen the video. Nice try.
Well, here is where you fall short - I certainly don’t think I know everything, but I do think I know something, and that is a threshold I am not sure you have reached. Sorry to inform.
And, enough with the ‘cheerleading’. It is an ad hominem that is meaningless.
Nor do I think the leaders know everything - far from it. But again, the distance between questioning your government and believe every conspiracy theory that they read on the internet is a chasm.
Wrong, wrong, wrong - conspiracy kooks will keep asking, no matter what evidence gets shoved into their face, so the fact that ‘someone is still asking’ doesn’t demonstrate anything. They - well, you - would never believe a plausible explanation because…wait for it…you don’t want to. It’s more fun not to.
How would anyone overcome the presumptions discussed earlier? No amount of evidence would change your mind because you are convinced the government is sinister and acting in bad faith. Even the most bulletproof of evidence is a ‘coverup’.
Short answer - you aren’t operating with the open mind you want the rest of us to have. Your mind is made up. You start with a conclusion - the government is evil and trying to control us, and then you work backwards.
Congratulations on imprisoning yourself in ignorance. You are naive and gullible, and nothing more than a cipher for these internet wackos.