Barack and the Bomber

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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No, you’re just using the description in an incorrect, slipshod fashion.

Definition of conspiracy theory: Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

Definition excerpted:

A conspiracy theory usually attributes the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge, to a secret, and often deceptive plot by a group of powerful or influential people or organizations. Many conspiracy theories imply that major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.

Now contrast that with your story:

Pertinent excerpt:

[i]“You can imagine a world in which these extremists and radicals got control of energy resources,” he said at a rally here Saturday for Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colo.). "And then you can imagine them saying, 'We’re going to pull a bunch of oil off the market to run your price of oil up unless you do the following. And the following would be along the lines of, well, ‘Retreat and let us continue to expand our dark vision.’ "

Bush said extremists controlling Iraq “would use energy as economic blackmail” and try to pressure the United States to abandon its alliance with Israel. At a stop in Missouri on Friday, he suggested that such radicals would be “able to pull millions of barrels of oil off the market, driving the price up to $300 or $400 a barrel.”

Oil is not the only reason Bush offers for staying in Iraq, but his comments on the stump represent another striking evolution of his argument on behalf of the war. The slogan of “no blood for oil” became a rallying cry for antiwar activists prior to the March 2003 invasion and angered administration officials. “There are certain things like that, myths, that are floating around,” Rumsfeld told Steve Kroft of CBS Radio in November 2002. “It has nothing to do with oil, literally nothing to do with oil.”

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Saturday that Bush’s latest argument does not reflect a real shift. “We’re still not saying we went into Iraq for oil. That’s not true,” he said. “But there is the realistic strategic concern that if a country with such enormous oil reserves and the corresponding revenues you can derive from that is controlled by essentially a terrorist organization, it could be destabilizing for the region.”[/i]

Now do you see the difference?

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But speaking of double standards, and back closer to the topic of this thread, here’s a post on double standards on coverage of the parties, based on some racial incidents in Pennsylvania:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGZiZGViNGQ2MTZjMTRjZDM1NDA1MGQwYzExNGQzNGU=

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Another good take on Obama/Ayers:

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2IzYjZmYTRmMDhjNzU2MjMyZTJjYTc4OGVhYzJjOTY=

[i]We Learned a Lot From How Obama Responded to the Ayers Question.

The Powerline guys have audio of William Ayers, in 2007, describing the United States ( http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020358.php ):

The problem for Obama isn’t that his ties to Ayers are so close (that we know of so far). Ayers hosted a party that was, effectively, the first fundraiser for Obama. They served on the Woods Foundation board together, and he spoke on some panels. That’s not as close a relationship as with, say, his mentor Jeremiah Wright, but it’s a lot closer than most Americans will ever come to a person who set bombs in public buildings.

But what is really revealing about this mess for Obama is that when asked about it, the candidate reacted with a mix of surprise and indignation that we haven’t quite seen since, “I want you to listen to me. I’m going to say this again: I did not… have… sexual… relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.” Recall, Clinton’s finger-wagging tone wasn’t striking just for the audacity of the lie, but for the barely-suppressed outrage; Bill seemed genuinely offended that anyone could accuse him of such a thing.

In the case of Obama, he clearly felt that George Stephanolopous asking about this was completely out of bounds. That no one in their right mind could possibly be concerned, disgruntled, or disapproving of associating with someone like William Ayers. As Obama insisted, this is just a professor who lives in his neighborhood.

But the average professor who lives in the neighborhood didn’t set bombs, even a long time ago.

Obama could have easily said, “I met Ayers and worked with him briefly, but I don’t like him. I don’t have any use for those who set bombs, or those who enthusiastically praise the acts of Charles Manson” (as Bernadine Dohrn did). But he didn’t. In this whole set of circumstances, Obama felt that Stephanopolous was the one out of line. [/i]

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James Lileks with another good take:

http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/08/0408/042208.html

Excerpt:

There’s a touching naïvete about the description of Ayers as a college professor, as if that means he has entered a realm of pipe-smoking rumination about Truth and Beauty. Doesn’t that make him an Authority? Aren’t we supposed to question Authority? Note to Dick Cheney: get yourself to the Department of Political Science at the U of Wyoming, and watch those calls for war-crime prosecutions melt away. . . . It was a difficult time. What a wonderful absolution. Oh, we all went a little mad. Some of us listened to Steppenwolf, some of us bombed government buildings and plotted robberies that killed people, some of us were rotting in Vietnamese prisons having our teeth bashed out by torture experts. Those days are behind us now, best forgotten. (Unlike the McCarthy era, which will be the subject of 163 movies about the blacklist next year, bringing the total to 45,203.)

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

pittbulll wrote:

No, I did not plan on telling you the theory

BostonBarrister wrote:

That’s not a conspiracy theory - it’s a potential worst-case scenario.

pittbulll wrote:

I have got to agree with the Professor, if a Democrat would have said that it would have been a conspiracy theory. But since it came from George it is the worst case scenario. In all honesty I hope it does not come to pass. But you must realize you have blinders on when it comes to any point other than the one you endorse

No, you’re just using the description in an incorrect, slipshod fashion.

Definition of conspiracy theory: Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

Definition excerpted:

A conspiracy theory usually attributes the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge, to a secret, and often deceptive plot by a group of powerful or influential people or organizations. Many conspiracy theories imply that major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.

Now contrast that with your story:

Pertinent excerpt:

[i]“You can imagine a world in which these extremists and radicals got control of energy resources,” he said at a rally here Saturday for Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colo.). "And then you can imagine them saying, 'We’re going to pull a bunch of oil off the market to run your price of oil up unless you do the following. And the following would be along the lines of, well, ‘Retreat and let us continue to expand our dark vision.’ "

Bush said extremists controlling Iraq “would use energy as economic blackmail” and try to pressure the United States to abandon its alliance with Israel. At a stop in Missouri on Friday, he suggested that such radicals would be “able to pull millions of barrels of oil off the market, driving the price up to $300 or $400 a barrel.”

Oil is not the only reason Bush offers for staying in Iraq, but his comments on the stump represent another striking evolution of his argument on behalf of the war. The slogan of “no blood for oil” became a rallying cry for antiwar activists prior to the March 2003 invasion and angered administration officials. “There are certain things like that, myths, that are floating around,” Rumsfeld told Steve Kroft of CBS Radio in November 2002. “It has nothing to do with oil, literally nothing to do with oil.”

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Saturday that Bush’s latest argument does not reflect a real shift. “We’re still not saying we went into Iraq for oil. That’s not true,” he said. “But there is the realistic strategic concern that if a country with such enormous oil reserves and the corresponding revenues you can derive from that is controlled by essentially a terrorist organization, it could be destabilizing for the region.”[/i]

Now do you see the difference?[/quote]

Well Barrister, I have known the meaning of conspiracy theory since before you were born. But if you look at the story, Bush is telling you of a possible conspiracy by �??those�?? Muslims. Call it slip shod or what ever you want to call it. I see it as a young man that thinks he has all the answers.

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If you know the proper definition, please feel free to begin to apply it correctly at any time… Re-read my previous post until you understand it.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

pittbulll wrote:

No, I did not plan on telling you the theory

BostonBarrister wrote:

That’s not a conspiracy theory - it’s a potential worst-case scenario.

pittbulll wrote:

I have got to agree with the Professor, if a Democrat would have said that it would have been a conspiracy theory. But since it came from George it is the worst case scenario. In all honesty I hope it does not come to pass. But you must realize you have blinders on when it comes to any point other than the one you endorse

BostonBarrister wrote:

No, you’re just using the description in an incorrect, slipshod fashion.

Definition of conspiracy theory: Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

Definition excerpted:

A conspiracy theory usually attributes the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge, to a secret, and often deceptive plot by a group of powerful or influential people or organizations. Many conspiracy theories imply that major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.

Now contrast that with your story:

Pertinent excerpt:

[i]“You can imagine a world in which these extremists and radicals got control of energy resources,” he said at a rally here Saturday for Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colo.). "And then you can imagine them saying, 'We’re going to pull a bunch of oil off the market to run your price of oil up unless you do the following. And the following would be along the lines of, well, ‘Retreat and let us continue to expand our dark vision.’ "

Bush said extremists controlling Iraq “would use energy as economic blackmail” and try to pressure the United States to abandon its alliance with Israel. At a stop in Missouri on Friday, he suggested that such radicals would be “able to pull millions of barrels of oil off the market, driving the price up to $300 or $400 a barrel.”

Oil is not the only reason Bush offers for staying in Iraq, but his comments on the stump represent another striking evolution of his argument on behalf of the war. The slogan of “no blood for oil” became a rallying cry for antiwar activists prior to the March 2003 invasion and angered administration officials. “There are certain things like that, myths, that are floating around,” Rumsfeld told Steve Kroft of CBS Radio in November 2002. “It has nothing to do with oil, literally nothing to do with oil.”

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Saturday that Bush’s latest argument does not reflect a real shift. “We’re still not saying we went into Iraq for oil. That’s not true,” he said. “But there is the realistic strategic concern that if a country with such enormous oil reserves and the corresponding revenues you can derive from that is controlled by essentially a terrorist organization, it could be destabilizing for the region.”[/i]

Now do you see the difference?

pittbulll wrote:

Well Barrister, I have known the meaning of conspiracy theory since before you were born. But if you look at the story, Bush is telling you of a possible conspiracy by �??those�?? Muslims. Call it slip shod or what ever you want to call it. I see it as a young man that thinks he has all the answers.

If you know the proper definition, please feel free to begin to apply it correctly at any time… Re-read my previous post until you understand it.[/quote]

I think the one of the difference between you and I is, I believe the best communication is edited to the lowest amount of words, I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said �??I would have written a shorter letter had I the time �??

Words are fluid, the definition of the phrase �??conspiracy theory �??Has to do with point of view. The bases of Wikiapedia are founded on my assertion.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I think the one of the difference between you and I is, I believe the best communication is edited to the lowest amount of words, I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said �??I would have written a shorter letter had I the time �??
Words are fluid, the definition of the phrase �??conspiracy theory �??Has to do with point of view. The bases of Wikiapedia are founded on my assertion.

[/quote]

I don’t know - that’s quite a few words and unintentional spelling and grammar errors to get across the message you don’t know what “conspiracy theory” means…

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I think the one of the difference between you and I is, I believe the best communication is edited to the lowest amount of words, I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said �??I would have written a shorter letter had I the time �??
Words are fluid, the definition of the phrase �??conspiracy theory �??Has to do with point of view. The bases of Wikiapedia are founded on my assertion.

I don’t know - that’s quite a few words and unintentional spelling and grammar errors to get across the message you don’t know what “conspiracy theory” means…[/quote]

I do not understand your last statement.