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Back Width Genetic?

Example: http://www.nba.com/media/DwightHowardRecapRaps300.jpg
In terms of width I am not of the lats but just upper back width in general. Dwight has massive width in this case (or he has a tiny ass head). Could most people attain this length with a heavily trained back and shoulder regime or is this purely genetic bone structure?

That guy isn’t all too wide, and back muscles make your entire upper body wider. The medial delt head adds to it a lot, but doesn’t effect your entire upper body like the back.

But if you want to look like that guy, it wouldn’t be all that hard.

He has pretty long clavicles making him look wider. He also has a relatively thin waist which enhances the look as well.

The width of an untrained back is genetic but anyone can spread there scapula and do a ton of wide grip pullups to get a much wider back.

On the other hand, one of the most impressive backs i have ever seen was Robbie Robinsons.His back was like the broad side of a barn, His wide back probably was due to genetics.

[quote]kickureface wrote:
Example: http://www.nba.com/media/DwightHowardRecapRaps300.jpg
In terms of width I am not of the lats but just upper back width in general. Dwight has massive width in this case (or he has a tiny ass head). Could most people attain this length with a heavily trained back and shoulder regime or is this purely genetic bone structure?[/quote]

Grammar sucks lately.

If you want wider shoulders, train them. You seem to be asking if it is possible to look wider by training that way. You do realize this is a bodybuilding forum, right? You thought the answer was “no”?

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
The width of an untrained back is genetic but anyone can spread there scapula and do a ton of wide grip pullups to get a much wider back.

On the other hand, one of the most impressive backs i have ever seen was Robbie Robinsons.His back was like the broad side of a barn, His wide back probably was due to genetics.[/quote]

The guy in that picture isn’t “untrained”…at all. Beyond that, spreading your scapula? That’s where you go first when someone asks about development? Some maneuver that some licensed practitioners might warn against?

Guess what…Robbie Robinson trained for years to get a back like that. Blaming that on “genetics” as if the decades of hard work didn’t do it is more of an insult.

[quote]kickureface wrote:
Example: http://www.nba.com/media/DwightHowardRecapRaps300.jpg
In terms of width I am not of the lats but just upper back width in general. Dwight has massive width in this case (or he has a tiny ass head). Could most people attain this length with a heavily trained back and shoulder regime or is this purely genetic bone structure?[/quote]

you know you posted a basketball player, right?

I met stood next to and spoke with Dwight Howard. I got a chance to interview him and Patrick Euwing In their Florida training center At the start of last season.

When you see him in person, right in front of you, you realize that he is almost mammoth in size. But not in the way a body builder is large, just a genetically large human being. Very Impressive. He’s a great guy. Watches almost no TV, No hang outs, attends church, reads books and is very composed. His family is very wealthy also. I got a chance to talk to him in practice when we interviewed Martin Gortat, a Polish player the Orlando Magic added to their roster.

But back to the point, yes it’s genetic. Denying genetics in any sport is absolutely moronic. Your genetics will dictate everything. Hard work is required to manifest your genes, but without them, your work will be for nothing and you’ll be better served to switch efforts. Kinda like a midget insisting on dunking a ball. Never gonna happen.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
I met stood next to and spoke with Dwight Howard. I got a chance to interview him and Patrick Euwing In their Florida training center At the start of last season.

When you see him in person, right in front of you, you realize that he is almost mammoth in size. But not in the way a body builder is large, just a genetically large human being. Very Impressive. He’s a great guy. Watches almost no TV, No hang outs, attends church, reads books and is very composed. His family is very wealthy also. I got a chance to talk to him in practice when we interviewed Martin Gortat, a Polish player the Orlando Magic added to their roster.

But back to the point, yes it’s genetic. Denying genetics in any sport is absolutely moronic. Your genetics will dictate everything. Hard work is required to manifest your genes, but without them, your work will be for nothing and you’ll be better served to switch efforts. Kinda like a midget insisting on dunking a ball. Never gonna happen. [/quote]

Are you and others simply blind to the question asked?

“[quote]Could most people attain this length with a heavily trained back and shoulder regime or is this purely genetic bone structure? [/quote]”

First, the wording of this question is weak to begin with, but if he is asking if you can get wider shoulders from training them or a wider back…THE ANSWER IS YES and genetics do not limit someone from being able to make those changes.

Also, blaming GENETICS for why some bodybuilder has a 57" measurement across the chest (as if his training didn’t do it and he was born like that) IS wrong.

Genetics may determine where someone starts at. That doesn’t mean you can tell someone’s true genetics potential by looking at them when they are untrained as beginners either.

Past that, the basketball player in that picture the OP posted is NOT untrained and clearly has well developed shoulders more muscular than many of the people on this site. Just because he may have had some genetic innate ability to easily add shoulder mass, it doesn’t mean the only way to get big shoulders is to be born with them.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The width of an untrained back is genetic but anyone can spread there scapula and do a ton of wide grip pullups to get a much wider back.

On the other hand, one of the most impressive backs i have ever seen was Robbie Robinsons.His back was like the broad side of a barn, His wide back probably was due to genetics.

The guy in that picture isn’t “untrained”…at all. Beyond that, spreading your scapula? That’s where you go first when someone asks about development? Some maneuver that some licensed practitioners might warn against?

Guess what…Robbie Robinson trained for years to get a back like that. Blaming that on “genetics” as if the decades of hard work didn’t do it is more of an insult.[/quote]

Im well aware that Robbie trained for years but to say you could take any two untrained people and have them both put in the same time and effort that Robbie did and get the same results would be wrong.He had a wide back and small waist.Not everytone has that.

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The width of an untrained back is genetic but anyone can spread there scapula and do a ton of wide grip pullups to get a much wider back.

On the other hand, one of the most impressive backs i have ever seen was Robbie Robinsons.His back was like the broad side of a barn, His wide back probably was due to genetics.

The guy in that picture isn’t “untrained”…at all. Beyond that, spreading your scapula? That’s where you go first when someone asks about development? Some maneuver that some licensed practitioners might warn against?

Guess what…Robbie Robinson trained for years to get a back like that. Blaming that on “genetics” as if the decades of hard work didn’t do it is more of an insult.

Im well aware that Robbie trained for years but to say you could take any two untrained people and have them both put in the same time and effort that Robbie did and get the same results would be wrong.He had a wide back and small waist.Not everytone has that.[/quote]

I didn’t say that two people have the exact same genetics. Is this really this hard to understand?

I’m a big guy. I have a big back as well. However, if you came up to me and claimed I was this size because of “genetics”…and not because I busted my ass for the last 14 years, you would be dead wrong.

Madtitan on this board went off on someone for that once. They tried to claim he only looked the way he did because of genetics…as if eating those 6 meals a day and training for several hours a week isn’t why.

Genetics may determine just how big someone can get, but that has jack shit to do with most people unless they are on stage next to him.

Blaming “genetics” alone implies that you can not improve drastically unless you were born with freak genetics.

The OP didn’t even fucking ask about genetics limits.

Back width is obviously nowhere near as genetic like (imo) quad sweep and calf size.
But if you have wide clavicles, its almost impossible for you to have lagging back-width (relative to the rest of your development). And if you had to ask this question, its likely you DON’t have wide clavicles, so you’ll have to work the vertical plane. hard and heavy.
And work on your delts.
Look at levrone and heath - for someone with possibly the worst genetics for back width, their humongous delts compensate.

PX, if we’re talking about the same thing here - why do you feel that the scapulae “dislocation” (that MANY bbers go through even today) is harmful? I believe even Dante Trudell worked with someone to undertake said “procedure” and dramatically improved his wing-spread. Its very painful for sure…but harmful?

[quote]tribunaldude wrote:

PX, if we’re talking about the same thing here - why do you feel that the scapulae “dislocation” (that MANY bbers go through even today) is harmful? I believe even Dante Trudell worked with someone to undertake said “procedure” and dramatically improved his wing-spread. Its very painful for sure…but harmful?[/quote]

You are changing the position of a bone for aesthetic reasons alone. Without assessing whether this will affect how that person performs certain movements (and exercises), yes that could be potentially harmful. In fact, just to make a point, there isn’t one procedure I can think of where you manipulate how the body was originally formed where there is absolutely no risk of further damage.

How many of these people are doctors?

No argument there. This is a well-guarded “secret” in bbing circles for the same reasons, and the massively popular bber-trainer openly admits to having done “this” at several points, but doesn;t avoid crediting his lat spread - to his training methodology alone.

I do think it is something to be considered seriously if you decide to step on stage for a living (like DG and Austin on here)

[quote]Professor X wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

PX, if we’re talking about the same thing here - why do you feel that the scapulae “dislocation” (that MANY bbers go through even today) is harmful? I believe even Dante Trudell worked with someone to undertake said “procedure” and dramatically improved his wing-spread. Its very painful for sure…but harmful?

You are changing the position of a bone for aesthetic reasons alone. Without assessing whether this will affect how that person performs certain movements (and exercises), yes that could be potentially harmful. In fact, just to make a point, there isn’t one procedure I can think of where you manipulate how the body was originally formed where there is absolutely no risk of further damage.

How many of these people are doctors?[/quote]

TD do you have any before and after pics of this scapular dislocation technique?

This is something I’ve never even heard of until you mentioned it a while back and I haven’t heard about it since.

[quote]Artem wrote:
That guy isn’t all too wide, and back muscles make your entire upper body wider. The medial delt head adds to it a lot, but doesn’t effect your entire upper body like the back.

But if you want to look like that guy, it wouldn’t be all that hard.[/quote]

yea his back is just jokes, look at artems pictures, now thats where its at

// end major sarcasm

I have a whole collection of material that I’ll share in due time. It is painful but adds INCHES to your lat spread overnight lol.

As PX said, it is dangerous.

if you see some bber claiming to have developed a “landing strip” (hint hint) in a year or two of following some super training methodology - weighted rack chins and weighted lat stretches without coming in a LOT heavier than earlier - there’s a good chance he has performed “it”.

No offence to D’s or JH’s followers - the weighted lat stretches DO WORK. But give credit where credit is due.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
TD do you have any before and after pics of this scapular dislocation technique?

This is something I’ve never even heard of until you mentioned it a while back and I haven’t heard about it since.[/quote]

[quote]believedat wrote:
Artem wrote:
That guy isn’t all too wide, and back muscles make your entire upper body wider. The medial delt head adds to it a lot, but doesn’t effect your entire upper body like the back.

But if you want to look like that guy, it wouldn’t be all that hard.

yea his back is just jokes, look at artems pictures, now thats where its at

// end major sarcasm[/quote]

Bringing up pictures from 85lbs ago, awesome. As if it were at all relevant to my post, too.
Eat a dick whydontcha.

[quote]Artem wrote:
believedat wrote:
Artem wrote:
That guy isn’t all too wide, and back muscles make your entire upper body wider. The medial delt head adds to it a lot, but doesn’t effect your entire upper body like the back.

But if you want to look like that guy, it wouldn’t be all that hard.

yea his back is just jokes, look at artems pictures, now thats where its at

// end major sarcasm

Bringing up pictures from 85lbs ago, awesome. As if it were at all relevant to my post, too.
Eat a dick whydontcha.[/quote]

I want to see new pictures 85lbs in a little less then a year and at 12%-15% you must be decently big esp with 230 on a 5’11" frame post pix please

[quote]Artem wrote:
believedat wrote:
Artem wrote:
That guy isn’t all too wide, and back muscles make your entire upper body wider. The medial delt head adds to it a lot, but doesn’t effect your entire upper body like the back.

But if you want to look like that guy, it wouldn’t be all that hard.

yea his back is just jokes, look at artems pictures, now thats where its at

// end major sarcasm

Bringing up pictures from 85lbs ago, awesome. As if it were at all relevant to my post, too.
Eat a dick whydontcha.[/quote]

I want to see new pictures 85lbs in a little less then a year and at 12%-15% you must be decently big esp with 230 on a 5’11" frame post pix please