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BA/BB Ratios?

I’ve always been a 2:20 BA:BB guy, but a friend of mine made some Test E with a 2:15 ratio and said that he likes it better. From what I know this seems like it would be fine. I just wanted to run it by some of the other brewers? I might pick up a vial or two from the guy and as much as I trust the quality of the product I was just a bit curious when he told me his ratio.

Thanks

just got off my lazy ass and did a search and found that some like the 2:15 LOL

any further replies are still much appreciated.

It isn’t a matter of ratios, but rather of reasonable amounts. Zero benzyl benzoate is also perfectly fine, for example – in other words, 2 to 0 is good – but that is obviously not similar to the ratio you had in mind.

The only difference in the comparison in question is less benzyl benzoate, which is always okay.

2:15 is fine for longer esters. Generally speaking, longer estered AAS will go into solution easier, so less overall BB is needed. If you are making _____ ace or ______ prop then you’ll have more trouble keeping the hormone in solution the lower your percentage of BB.

Keep in mind that a higher concentrated gear is going to require more BB (or some other solvent), too. So, for example, if you for some reason wanted to brew a batch of test prop at 2:10, you could do this without fear of it crashing if you were to brew it at 50mg/ml.

Keep in mind, again, I am speaking in generalities here.

To answer your question directly, I have made test enth at 15% BB, 300mg/ml, and it just fine.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
It isn’t a matter of ratios, but rather of reasonable amounts. Zero benzyl benzoate is also perfectly fine, for example – in other words, 2 to 0 is good – but that is obviously not similar to the ratio you had in mind.

The only difference in the comparison in question is less benzyl benzoate, which is always okay.[/quote]

I’m curious what you mean here, Bill. Are you suggesting less BB is always okay provided other circumstances are met (ie different solvents used in place of BB)? Or that it is perfectly okay in the example given of test enanthate?

I have had issues with the hormone coming out of solution when bringing my BB ratio lower. Granted this has always been, as I mentioned above, with the ace and prop esters.

I’ve never tried a brew with no BB. I’ve made both 2:20 and 2:15 at varying concentrations, with no issues in quality or otherwise. Considering one of the uses for the BB is to help prevent the powders from crystalizing while in the muscle (read: painful), I don’t know why it wouldn’t be an additive unless using an ace type ester.

Cortes and 5.0 covered it = )

(And Bill as usual lol)

Thanks a lot for the feedback fellas!

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
It isn’t a matter of ratios, but rather of reasonable amounts. Zero benzyl benzoate is also perfectly fine, for example – in other words, 2 to 0 is good – but that is obviously not similar to the ratio you had in mind.

The only difference in the comparison in question is less benzyl benzoate, which is always okay.

I’m curious what you mean here, Bill. Are you suggesting less BB is always okay provided other circumstances are met (ie different solvents used in place of BB)? Or that it is perfectly okay in the example given of test enanthate?

I have had issues with the hormone coming out of solution when bringing my BB ratio lower. Granted this has always been, as I mentioned above, with the ace and prop esters.[/quote]

It’s always okay so far as being safe to inject and a completely reasonable preparation, if everything else is good about the preparation.

As BB is a solubility enhancer, less of it will result in a lesser concentration of steroid being achievable.

Again it’s not a ratio thing between BA and BB, but the total amounts. E.g. 1%/10% would be the same ratio (1 to 10) as 2%/20% but with different solubilizing ability.

It’s true that if a person is determined to put more steroid into the preparation than can be achieved and temporarily achieves this with heat, using a concentration that was intended for a different vehicle and getting it in there (only temporarily) with heat, then they have screwed up. But it’s not ratio of BA to BB, but total amounts of everything involved.

E.g., 5% BA / 20% BB makes for a lower ratio of BB relative to BA, but the solubilizing ability is greater.

Thanks for clarifying, Bill. You pretty much confirmed what I was thinking.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
2:15 is fine for longer esters. Generally speaking, longer estered AAS will go into solution easier, so less overall BB is needed. If you are making _____ ace or ______ prop then you’ll have more trouble keeping the hormone in solution the lower your percentage of BB.

Keep in mind that a higher concentrated gear is going to require more BB (or some other solvent), too. So, for example, if you for some reason wanted to brew a batch of test prop at 2:10, you could do this without fear of it crashing if you were to brew it at 50mg/ml.

Keep in mind, again, I am speaking in generalities here.

To answer your question directly, I have made test enth at 15% BB, 300mg/ml, and it just fine.[/quote]

Same here. I’ve seen Test P hold at 1:10% (BA:BB) for 100mg/mL. I’ve also seen Test E hold at 1:0% (BA:BB) for 250 mg/mL. I know a vet on here who recommended (I wont say his name, but most know who he is) that for his personal use he never used BB and said it was a waste of BB, since he was going to be using the preparation not long after brewing it.

By the way, as it seems this is something many are having trouble with, the “crashing” problem could be avoided by saving a tiny amount of the original powder, and adding even a tiny speck to the cooled preparation, pre-filtration.

If it’s overloaded with the steroid, the excess will reasonably promptly crystallize out upon addition of the seed crystal, rather than this being a surprise happening down the road, or after injection.

If you do see some growth of crystals or solid, allow a full day. It may be more than needed, but better to be safe than to assume that say an hour was enough, though for most substances in most carriers it would be.

That is a GREAT idea.

:smiley:

Great idea Bill. You continually amaze me.

Glad it was useful!

Bill, quite some time ago you posted about using oil only to dissolve prop derived from syno. I like the idea but couldn’t get it to hold at 100mg/ml unless I used heat and then added 2/18 BA/BB post filtration to keep it from crashing. Any comments?

The solubility of testosterone propionate in straight oil is not 100 mg/mL, but 50 mg/mL or possibly a touch more, but not much.

I did once erroneously post that it was 100 mg/mL. This was from memory going wrong (it was about 11 years ago that I did it, not that that makes misremembering it okay.)

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The solubility of testosterone propionate in straight oil is not 100 mg/mL, but 50 mg/mL or possibly a touch more, but not much.

I did once erroneously post that it was 100 mg/mL. This was from memory going wrong (it was about 11 years ago that I did it, not that that makes misremembering it okay.)[/quote]

well, that would explain why I could only get to about 80mg/ml even with heat. I guess I’ll try not to be so ambitious