Avg Obese Woman Gets 1hr Excercise Per Year

Having a mom who is disabled. I find it absolutely disgusting when people who are over weight have handicapped stickers on their car. Yes some people do have thyroid disorders, caused by either genetics or medication, which is sad and unfortunate, but some people need to admit to themselves the have a problem and take action to help themselves.

As a person who does not give a shit about diet, I remain in decent shape because I do high intensity workouts. I know I could lose a few pouds but I am not going to lie and say it is genetics or stress - I just don’t give a shit right now!

If there’s evidence to suggest that habits/impulse control are genetic and people can’t help themselves in an environment of over-abundance, can you still blame them?

[quote]therajraj wrote:
If there’s evidence to suggest that habits/impulse control are genetic and people can’t help themselves in an environment of over-abundance, can you still blame them?
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Yes. I believe nearly anyone could at the very least rise from such a level of epic weakness. All you really have to do is not eat. I mean seriously, it doesn’t even involve doing something, all you have to do is NOT do something. Just stop eating 5000 calories a day if you aren’t going to regularly swim a mile to justify it.

They don’t even have to exercise if they don’t want to. You can be sedentary and not fat as long as your caloric intake is appropriate. You might not be what I would call “healthy”, but it’s still healthier than being a ham planet.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
If there’s evidence to suggest that habits/impulse control are genetic and people can’t help themselves in an environment of over-abundance, can you still blame them?
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Yes. I believe nearly anyone could at the very least rise from such a level of epic weakness. All you really have to do is not eat. I mean seriously, it doesn’t even involve doing something, all you have to do is NOT do something. Just stop eating 5000 calories a day if you aren’t going to regularly swim a mile to justify it.

They don’t even have to exercise if they don’t want to. You can be sedentary and not fat as long as your caloric intake is appropriate. You might not be what I would call “healthy”, but it’s still healthier than being a ham planet.[/quote]

On the other side of that. Even if they can’t control overeating they can at least make an effort to work out to help counteract some of it or switch to eating 20 carrots instead of 20 twix bars. I don’t blame self control alone for the reason these people are fat. It comes down to putting in an effort to be active and to make better choices.

One of the only things you can control is what you eat.

[quote]csulli wrote:

Yes. I believe nearly anyone could at the very least rise from such a level of epic weakness. All you really have to do is not eat. I mean seriously, it doesn’t even involve doing something, all you have to do is NOT do something. Just stop eating 5000 calories a day if you aren’t going to regularly swim a mile to justify it.[/quote]

If habits and impulse control are deeply hardwired, that would mean they can’t overcome their eating habits.

It’s like asking an autistic person to get over their autism.

According to this study, BMI is 75-80% heritable

http://www.tweelingenregister.org/2012/Nan_EJE_2012.pdf

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

Yes. I believe nearly anyone could at the very least rise from such a level of epic weakness. All you really have to do is not eat. I mean seriously, it doesn’t even involve doing something, all you have to do is NOT do something. Just stop eating 5000 calories a day if you aren’t going to regularly swim a mile to justify it.[/quote]

If habits and impulse control are deeply hardwired, that would mean they can’t overcome their eating habits.

It’s like asking an autistic person to get over their autism.
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I dunno man… I’m really lazy and ADD, but I can manage to pull my head out of my ass and get shit done. I don’t think a lack of willpower is genetically hardwired; that is developed, and it can be undeveloped.

If it weren’t for the corporations food wouldn’t be so cheap and available.

If it weren’t for the various welfare programs, people wouldn’t be able to buy as much food.

It’s the government and corporation’s fault.

It’s not my fault I have a victim mentality.

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Did she really just catch a thrown chair?

Lady’s got some skills.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

Yes. I believe nearly anyone could at the very least rise from such a level of epic weakness. All you really have to do is not eat. I mean seriously, it doesn’t even involve doing something, all you have to do is NOT do something. Just stop eating 5000 calories a day if you aren’t going to regularly swim a mile to justify it.[/quote]

If habits and impulse control are deeply hardwired, that would mean they can’t overcome their eating habits.

It’s like asking an autistic person to get over their autism.

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Not quite. I could lock an autistic person up in a room and nothing I will do will cure them of their autism. I could lock up a fatty in a room, control what they eat, and eventually make them a non-fatty.

My mother lost 40lbs with a TSH of 10.

Meaning, her thyroid was not working right.

She did not know, nor did she care.

That puts thyroid disorders into perspective.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
According to this study, BMI is 75-80% heritable

http://www.tweelingenregister.org/2012/Nan_EJE_2012.pdf[/quote]

And there are a bunch of studies to just the opposite conclusion. One study does not a case make. Soo…?

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
According to this study, BMI is 75-80% heritable

http://www.tweelingenregister.org/2012/Nan_EJE_2012.pdf[/quote]

And there are a bunch of studies to just the opposite conclusion. One study does not a case make. Soo…?[/quote]

Then there’s this thing called epigenetics, where an organism might hold two sets of genes, and the one that expresses itself is determined by the environment.

The one example is with baby birds. The ones that fall out of the nest grow up into a different color than the ones that stayed in the nest.

Fascinating really.

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
According to this study, BMI is 75-80% heritable

http://www.tweelingenregister.org/2012/Nan_EJE_2012.pdf[/quote]

And there are a bunch of studies to just the opposite conclusion. One study does not a case make. Soo…?[/quote]

Then there’s this thing called epigenetics, where an organism might hold two sets of genes, and the one that expresses itself is determined by the environment.

The one example is with baby birds. The ones that fall out of the nest grow up into a different color than the ones that stayed in the nest.

Fascinating really. [/quote]

It’s not two sets of genes, the sequence is the same(ignoring possible mutations) it’s just that they can be regulated differently, or toggled, or be on/off. It’s quite layered, very interesting.

On that note, Abadjiev, the Bulgarian Olympic Weightlifting coach who produced all those medalists, believed in a rather weird variant of epigenetics.

His take was that spending a lot of time working at 90+% would cause a different, stronger form of protein to be built. By changing the environmental expectations of the body, the gene expression would produce stronger cells.

I don’t think anyone’s ever been able to find the research he cited.

COMPETITIONS AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE TRAINING CYCLE by Ivan Abadjiev
http://www.mikesgym.org/programs/uploads/abadjiev1.pdf

"A further conclusion could be made that lifting of different poundage represents different conditions and initiates the production of proteins with different qualities.

A general conclusion can be suggested that lifting of limit weights would provoke the reproduction of high quality proteins"

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
According to this study, BMI is 75-80% heritable

http://www.tweelingenregister.org/2012/Nan_EJE_2012.pdf[/quote]

And there are a bunch of studies to just the opposite conclusion. One study does not a case make. Soo…?[/quote]

There are a bunch of causal studies showing BMI isn’t heritable?

There’s also this one

Should add this result is supported by genome-wide complex trait analysis (GCTA

http://www.twinsuk.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Hemani-AJHM-2013.pdf

I began to wonder about my belief that obesity is almost all environmental and not heritable after reading this article by Bret Contreras

" 16 weeks of progressive dynamic exercise involving 66 human subjects failed to yield any measurable hypertrophy in 26% of subjects. Wow, sucks to be them!"

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therajraj-

Then wouldn’t you have had fat people comparable in number to today back in the 18th century, etc?