Autism Cure-Fishoil?

[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Because, doctors make oodles and gobs of money treating sick people. If people keep themselves healthy, doctors make no money. [/quote]

I think you mean the pharmaceutical companies. Doctors could make just as much money (minus the kickbacks from big pharm)… all they have to do is subscribe herbs and treat the patient through nutritional means.

Now this won’t cure more severe things like cancer and aids, but it will get rid of alot of diseases like obesity, high cholesterol, alot of heart problems, anxiety (yes there is a drug to treat this “disease”).

[quote]BarneyFife wrote:

Because, doctors make oodles and gobs of money treating sick people. If people keep themselves healthy, doctors make no money. [/quote]

I think you’re right, but also I somewhat remember the Strong Words from a few days ago where Thomas Edison said something about doctors in the future bieng more of (what I think is) a personal trainer then doctors we traditionally think of.

I wish he was right.

[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Because, doctors make oodles and gobs of money treating sick people. If people keep themselves healthy, doctors make no money.

I think you mean the pharmaceutical companies. Doctors could make just as much money (minus the kickbacks from big pharm)… all they have to do is subscribe herbs and treat the patient through nutritional means.

Now this won’t cure more severe things like cancer and aids, but it will get rid of alot of diseases like obesity, high cholesterol, alot of heart problems, anxiety (yes there is a drug to treat this “disease”).[/quote]

What herbs? Doctors don’t prescribe herbal shit because there’s no significant evidence to back it up. Look at the amount of crap on the market in the dietary supplement industry. Nearly all of it is useless but people still spend a fortune on it because schlong root “may assist penis hardness.” There was a singal study, if that, that showed a statistically significant increase in penis rigidity, therefore it’s “herbal viagra”.

So is a doctor supposed to prescribe every substance that “may” have an effect even though science knows little about its supposed effects or unknown side effects? You can feel free to go to that doctor while I’ll go to the one prescribing stuff that has at least been extensively studied in humans.

While it’s regretable that effective mechanisms don’t exist for funding research into unpatentable natural substances, that doesn’t mean the use of unresearched substances should be the responsibility of doctors. The medical profession is based on hard science, however imperfect it may be at the time, not hope or faith.

[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Because, doctors make oodles and gobs of money treating sick people. If people keep themselves healthy, doctors make no money. [/quote]

Unfair… the fact that there is a large demographic of sick people for doctors to treat does not mean that doctors want to keep people sick… that’s like saying that firefighters want people to keep burning their houses down…

[quote]etaco wrote:
What herbs? Doctors don’t prescribe herbal shit because there’s no significant evidence to back it up.[/quote]

Tell that to the chinese who have been using herbs for thousonds of years. Herbs are still very popular in China because they WORK.

[quote]
Nearly all of it is useless but people still spend a fortune on it because schlong root “may assist penis hardness.” There was a singal study, if that, that showed a statistically significant increase in penis rigidity, therefore it’s “herbal viagra”.[/quote]

Blame it on marketing. But herbs are just as good as most over the counter drugs.

[quote]
You can feel free to go to that doctor while I’ll go to the one prescribing stuff that has at least been extensively studied in humans.[/quote]

You’re the one playnig russian roulette. I’d try a herbal remedy first and if that doesn’t work… you can always use the drug. Problem with most drugs (even thrugh extensive testing) is that they have really bad side effects.

Here is a sample:

Name: Dexatrim
Prescribed For: cold, cough
Side Effect: fatal strokes

Name: Paxil
Prescribed For: depression
Side Effect: suicide

Name: Avandia
Prescribed For: diabetes
Side Effect: heart failure, hepatitis, and liver failure

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medicine/drug-lawsuits.htm

[quote]
While it’s regretable that effective mechanisms don’t exist for funding research into unpatentable natural substances, that doesn’t mean the use of unresearched substances should be the responsibility of doctors. The medical profession is based on hard science, however imperfect it may be at the time, not hope or faith.[/quote]

I like to get a second opinion. And while vestern doctors may not use herbs… eastern ones do. Waay far east.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Because, doctors make oodles and gobs of money treating sick people. If people keep themselves healthy, doctors make no money.

Unfair… the fact that there is a large demographic of sick people for doctors to treat does not mean that doctors want to keep people sick… that’s like saying that firefighters want people to keep burning their houses down…[/quote]

Well-put. I would agree that the pharmeceutical companies are a different story, though.

[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
I think you mean the pharmaceutical companies. Doctors could make just as much money (minus the kickbacks from big pharm)… all they have to do is subscribe herbs and treat the patient through nutritional means.[/quote]

Even if all disease was magically eradicated (which, clearly, will never happen) doctors would still exist in droves for the sake of preventative treatment and surgery (which is pretty much what doctors do now? surgeons, researchers, primary care physicians that [should] focus on prevention.). There’s no ‘herb’ to fix you being in a car accident and having your legs crushed.

[quote]Dweezil wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
There’s no ‘herb’ to fix you being in a car accident and having your legs crushed.[/quote]

True.
But a car accident is not a disease and it cannot be compared to something like a cough.

[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Dweezil wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
There’s no ‘herb’ to fix you being in a car accident and having your legs crushed.

True.
But a car accident is not a disease and it cannot be compared to something like a cough.[/quote]

I’m sure they could give you a few herbs for the pain.

[quote]oldcrabbybastard wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
Dweezil wrote:
I’m sure they could give you a few herbs for the pain.[/quote]

What. For the cough?

But like I said. Herbal medicine can be used to treat ilness. Things like artery disease: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-ginseng.html

And high blood pressure… and etc.

Im sure most doctors mean well, but they are seriously influenced by the drug companies. Many med schools are sponsored by drug companies. The studentws are given samples of all sorts of drugs. Its he main thing they learn about.

I like my doctor, hes an MD with all the drug knowledge and he later went on to study nutritional medicine.

He used both, but drugs are a last resort or temporary solutions.

ok people,

legally (as in you have no choice in the matter)

in order to make claims of health benefit you need to have a proven clinical trial result that whatever substance you are making the claim about has a direct result in the manner in which you are claiming.

no if no buts - it has to be proved.

unfortunately the big pharma’s are not interested in paying shit loads of dosh to clinical investigator sites to prove claims on a substance they will have no patent and therefore profit on.

This is capitalism. Sorry… the sooner you realise that pharam’s are businesses first whose profession is medical science the better. I’m not voicing my own opinion about whether this is right or not but its just reality. The only people who would investigate the claims of nutritional science are either government funded centres of nutritional medicine (heard of any…?) and those companies with new fashionable marketable food products - like certain yoghurt manufactures I could mention.

The other thing is side effects are misleading - drug companies are legally bound and also bound by the declaration of helsinki that governs the clinical industry to report every side effect that ever happens on their drug. That odd rash might happen to only 1 person in a million but it has to be on the patient information leaflet in the box.

oh and by the way if the FDA goes the same way as the EMEA (which they will eventually) then all supplements that make specific claims as to their benefits will need a clinical trial to back it up. If anyone in Biotest wants to be ahead of the game or wants some advice on the new types of regulations then please let me know.