[quote]JBL5 wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]JBL5 wrote:
In all fairness, as much as JM and SS are very knowledgeable coaches, neither have probably been as successful in bodybuilding as Jackson. So i’m not sure your comparison works either.
Lee priest did okay with losing his abs. Perhaps both options work well?
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Well, in all fairness and respect to both coaches, genetics really dictate how far you go at that upper level. If you compare Meadows’ structure to Dennis Hopson (who beat him last year I believe), both very smart and hardworking bodybuilders (I’ve worked with Hopson in the past and he’s a true gentleman in every way) they look vastly different onstage, and all the latest training techniques will not alter their DNA.
However, The number of Pros that Meadows has worked with who seem more than happy to extol their results certainly speaks quite a bit about his methods and approaches. Shelby as well. I’m certainly not trying to be disrespectful to either man, but I think it’s safe to say that their success with clients may impress and garner more attention than their personal contest successes over the years.
Besides, I believe Jackson was brought up in attempt to argue a quote from the great Lee Haney. You’d be far pressed to find someone knowledgeable of the sport who wouldn’t place the Awesome one as perhaps the greatest bodybuilder ever.
Also, I don’t know it Lee Priest is the best example of any method to be emulated in regard to any of ‘this’. A lot of the approaches he used seemed to go against the grain, and even his constant position of very little PED usage seemed to suggest that he either possessed the greatest genetics ever, or was just full of crap. The guy admitted that he got paid to get as fat as he could for his “before” supplement ad photo (also that his Before pic was taken after!) so I certainly hope you’re not basing your information on some “6 page special ad-report”
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I’m more refuting the claim “that if you don’t have abs in the offseason, you aren’t a bodybuilder”. I’m just pointing out that Priest has been through phases where he lost his abs (no, not just one ad) and I wouldn’t dream of telling him that at those times he wasn’t a bodybuilder.
Don’t get me wrong, I think JM and SS are awesome, but you’ve contradicted yourself pretty badly in your post.
First of all, you explain how JM and SS are correct about keeping abs in the offseason and you attribute their struggle to get to the top of the sport as down to genetics. Fair enough.
But then you try to say that we shouldn’t refute what Haney says as he was the greatest bodybuilder ever (probably a fair claim). But you have already made it clear that getting to that level is a matter of genetics, so you’re kind of picking and choosing here.
You are basically saying we should listen to coaches if their genetics are average, listen to Haney as he was the best and had awesome genetics, yet ignore Lee Priest because he may have had the greatest genetics ever.
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OKay, point. I do sometimes just write stream of thinking, and don’t always plan out what I’m going to type.
I took offense to using Jackson to refute Haney simply because if you’re going to back up an argument with an IFBB Pro as an example, using it to dispute the very best IFBB Pro ever is just a poor choice, and I believe that anyone can see that.
My throwing in with JM and SS’s approach was simply my opinion that many old school beliefs such as bulking and cutting are falling by the wayside. If you look how Haney’s thinking was many years ahead of what is now almost commonplace (not becoming a big fatty), you see that he was of a similar school of thought.
Maybe my example of genetics was a little off base, but I was simply attempting to state that even if Meadows is 100% correct in every single approach he has with dietary and training methods, it still may not guarantee him an IFBB pro card, that’s all. All IFBB Pros have one in a million genetics.
While we can only reach the developmental point that our DNA dictates, obviously doing things in an optimal manner will allow us to reach that stage, instead of floundering and perhaps never achieving a worthwhile level at all.
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