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Arrgh! Chicken pox!

I started getting flu-like symptoms yesterday, then I woke up today with my face and head and chest covered with chicken pox. Awful! I can’t even stand long enough to clean out the blender and make a shake. Anyone out there ever have chicken pox past being a young kid?

You better pray it’s not Smallpox. Perhaps you’ve heard that there are some guys who are not at all happy with our meddling in Middle Eastern affairs. These same guys have access to goodies such as Anthrax, Smallpox, etc. They work in labs too. Perhaps they will make their own website - “Al-Queda: Bioterrorism With Attitude. Announcing… Anthrox-10! Our new design is the best there is. We’ve developed a new kick ass germ that will make all other biological weapons obsolete! What our researchers (all of whom entered the U.S. via America’s open immigration policy and were educated in American schools) have developed is an Anthrax/Smallpox synergistic formula and even added a free antibody-blocker to the mix. Pretty cool, huh? But it gets better. We’ll ship it to you FREE OF CHARGE!” I hope I don’t hear about you on CNN, dude.

By Krykee, you’re a Dick, Baran. Look out! he’s going into a death roll!

If you order Anthrox-10 before Christmas you get a free bottle of M-laria.

All kidding aside, I think you should see a doctor. Chicken pox in adults can be serious.

They’re serious, and don’t itch at any scabs or you’ll scar. See a doctor. Your still a paranoid dick Baran,up the dosage.

Dave, I apologize. I forgot the last part of the “Al-Queda: Bioterrorism With Attitude” pitch: "Our new product, Anthrox-10, won’t be available for another 8 weeks or so because we are still in the process of developing M-laria. But don’t worry, you’ll get your hands on the stuff soon enough. Our new synergistic formula has 100% bioavailability - all you have to do is touch your mail! No need to pre-order, we have plenty enough to go around. Give your friends a sample - it’s as easy as sneezing in their face. Dead in two weeks or less? WE GUARANTEE IT! In fact we are so confident in the Anthrox-10/M-laria stack, that if you’re not as dead as a doornail within a week and a half; simply return the unused portion and we’ll put you on the VIP Al-Queda e-mail list that will notify you in advance which buildings we are going to knockdown so you know not to be in them! But we know that won’t be necessary because Anthrox-10/M-laria works better than any hype we could dream of. We guarantee it!

Irondoc! Up the dosage? Now I thought you would know better - being a t-mag forum veteran and all. MORE IS NOT BETTER! You know damn well that if 900mgs of lithium carbonate packs on 10 lbs of sanity, increasing the dosage would only be a waste and would jeopardize my health. You know, the ol’ point of diminishing returns! It’s assholes like you who will get lithium pulled from the pharmacists shelf and ruin it for everybody. Sound familiar? It’s the same rhetoric you people give to people who even dare to ask if they should up the doses of their steroids. Get your logic straight - either MORE IS BETTER or it isn’t. Make up your mind!

Yeah, I had chicken pox at the age of 21. I didn’t get any flu-like symptoms, however, and I didn’t feel weak or anything. In fact, I was training hard right up to the day I had blisters (I was more endurance training at the time). I’ve got a few scars from the blisters, but nothing major – the scars from the bike crashes are far more noticeable. Any way, there’s really not much you can do, by the time you’re showing pox, you’re beyond contageous. Just ride it out. Back off the training for a week or two, then you’ll be fine.

Thanks for the replies guys. So far I have 3 full days of full blown chicken pox. I revisited the doctor and he said he’s never seen it this bad. I look like an alien. My face and head was a little swollen with bumps on top and all. I’m still fucked up big time, but the swelling has gone down. Even as I type this I’m feeling like passing out. Anyone who hasn’t had it yet, try not to get it! This is the worst shit I’ve ever had. I broke my ankle last year, and I thought that was the most excruciating pain, but I’d take that any day over this shit! thanks guys.

I was 30 when I got chicken pox. Had the full night sweats, fever, everything. Every square inch of my body was blistered. I didn’t get anything from the doc. He just said: “Yeah you’ve got chicken pox, go home”. Ride it out. Use Calamine lotion. I sympathize dude.

  • most animal viruses also have an envelope surrounding a polyhedral or helical nucleocapsid
  • composed of phospholipids and glycoprotein
  • for most viruses, is derived from host cell membranes by budding
  • envelope may come from the host cell’s nuclear membrane, vacuolar membranes or outer cytoplasmic membrane
  • virus incorporate proteins of its own, often appearing as glycoprotein spikes, into the envelope.

Lipid Coated Viruses (LCVs) and Bacteria (LCBs) - Some of the microorganisms inactivated by the lauric acid monoglycerides are listed in the table below. Many of the pathogenic organisms reported to be inactivated by these antimicrobial lipids are those known to be responsible for opportunistic infections in HIV-positive individuals. For example, concurrent infection with cytomegalovirus is recognized as a serious complication for HIV+ individuals.

The properties that determine the anti-infective action of these lipids are related to their structure; e.g., monoglycerides, free fatty acids. The monoglycerides are active, diglycerides and triglycerides are inactive. Of the saturated fatty acids, lauric acid has greater antiviral activity than either caprylic acid (C-8), capric acid (C-10) or myristic acid (C-14) for these viruses.

The antiviral action attributed to monolaurin is that of solubilizing the lipids and phospholipids in the envelope of the virus causing the disintegration of the virus envelope. In effect, it is reported that the fatty acids and monoglycerides produce their killing/inactivating effect by lysing the (lipid bilayer) plasma membrane. However, there is evidence from some recent studies that one antimicrobial effect of monolaurin is related to its interference with signal transduction in cell replication.

Chickenpox famly
dsDNA; 150-200 nm; enveloped; polyhedral capsid

42 nm
Herpesviridae; herpes simplex 1 virus (HSV-1; most oral herpes), herpes simplex 2 virus (HSV-2, roseola), herpes simple 6 (HSV-6; roseola), varicella-zoster virus (VZV, chickenpox and shingles), Epstein-Barr virus (EBV, infectious mononucleosis and lymphomas), cytomegalovirus (CMV; birth defects and infections of a variety of bady systems in immunosuppressed individuals)
Hepadnaviridae; hepatitis B virus (HBV; hepatitis B and liver cancer)

The food preservative BHT disrupts the viral envelope on every lipid coated virus in vivo to some degree

The BHT dosage for suppression of herpes usually ranges from 500-2,000 mg. Higher dosages of BHT may cause transient vertigo, lasting anywhere from 30-60 minutes. This can usually be avoided by taking BHT in smaller, divided dosages throughout the day.

Scientists began taking a closer look at olive leaf extract because the leaves of Olea europaea are known to be resistant to attack by insects and microbes. Researchers have published numerous studies concluding that olive leaf’s active ingredient, oleuropein (Fig. 1B), is a natural antibiotic agent.

With the threat of bioterrorism looming larger, a report in Dr. Morton Walker’s book, Nature’s Antibiotic: Olive Leaf Extract is of particular interest. Dr. Walker noted that this natural substance is toxic to bacteria-caused diseases like anthrax and botulism. (1) Furthermore, it is well-known that wastewater from olive oil mills kills aerobic spore-forming bacteria. Anthrax (Bacillus anthracis) is spore forming and aerobic. (2)

Oleuropein also is toxic to other members of the bacillus bacteria family. A 1991 report in Biotechnology and Applied Biochemistry documented that oleuropein, at adequate concentrations, inhibited spore germination and the outgrowth of Bacillus cereus spores. Bacillus cereus causes a potentially lethal form of food poisoning characterized by vomiting, severe flatulence, diarrhea, muscular weakness, nerve damage to the heart, and pain in the upper arms, neck, chest and bones. Oleuropein is thought to achieve the bacterial destruction of Bacillus cereus by either inactivating cellular enzymes crucial for bacterial replication or by attacking the cell membrane, destroying its permeability and causing leakage of intracellular components such as glutamate, potassium and phosphorus. The authors concluded that oleuropein’s method of action was similar to that of BHT. (3)

So That means look into Olive leaf extract, BHT, and Monolaurin (from coconut oil), Id take some immune system boosters like High dose 5000 MG+ Vitamin C and 50 Mg zinc and 200 MCG selenium and 1000 IU E also

Health-Care Providers

Health-care providers should be alert to illness patterns and diagnostic
clues that might indicate an unusual infectious disease outbreak associated
with intentional release of a biologic agent and should report any clusters
or findings to their local or state health department. The covert release
of a biologic agent may not have an immediate impact because of the delay
between exposure and illness onset, and outbreaks associated with
intentional releases might closely resemble naturally occurring outbreaks.
Indications of intentional release of a biologic agent include:

  1. an unusual temporal or geographic clustering of illness (e.g., persons
    who attended the same public event or gathering) or patients presenting
    with clinical signs and symptoms that suggest an infectious disease
    outbreak (e.g., >2 patients presenting with an unexplained febrile illness
    associated with sepsis, pneumonia, respiratory failure, rash, or a
    botulism-like syndrome with flaccid muscle paralysis, especially if
    occurring in otherwise healthy persons);

  2. an unusual age distribution for common diseases (e.g., an increase in
    what appears to be a chickenpox-like illness among adult patients, but
    which might be smallpox);
    and

  3. a large number of cases of acute flaccid paralysis with prominent bulbar
    palsies, suggestive of a release of botulinum toxin.

Smallpox (variola). The acute clinical symptoms of smallpox resemble other
acute viral illnesses, such as influenza, beginning with a 2-4 day
nonspecific prodrome of fever and myalgias before rash onset. Several
clinical features can help clinicians differentiate varicella (chickenpox)
from smallpox. The rash of varicella is most prominent on the trunk and
develops in successive groups of lesions over several days, resulting in
lesions in various stages of development and resolution. In comparison, the
vesicular/pustular rash of smallpox is typically most prominent on the face
and extremities, and lesions develop at the same time.

Coyote here


BrooklynMike you ok?

(I have a bad feeling about this)

Thanks for asking Coyote. I’m much better. it sucked big time for a while because I had flu- like symptoms on top of being covered in blisters like bubble wrap. The Doc gave me some Acyclovir and I’ve been taking all my vitamins and eating well since the flu- like symptoms subsided. At this point, my face and head are almost totally clear. Everywhere else is full of scabs that are coming off slowly. Itches at night like a bitch. Spraying calamine for that. Going to do some calistenics in the house for a few days to get ready for the gym.