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Arnie wins


#1

According to the Washington Post, Arnie won the recall thing in California. & according to Greg Palast, he'll cost the state $9000000000 right away. Way to go Californians!

"Arnold Unplugged - It's Hasta la Vista to $9 Billion if the Governator is Selected
Monday, October 6, 2003
CALIFORNIA LAY'D BY ARNOLD

According to a series of memoranda our office obtained today, Arnold Schwarzenegger's dalliance with boys in a hotel room just two years ago is every bit as scandalous as his manhandling of women during his career as celebrity he-man.

The wannabe governor has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001, at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he had consensual political intercourse with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay. Also frolicking with Arnold and Ken was convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.

Now, thirty-four pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come through this reporter's fax machine tell all about the tryst between Maria's husband and the corporate con men. It turns out that
Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in illicit profits they carried off.

Here's the story Arnold doesn't want you to hear. The biggest single threat to Ken Lay and the electricity lords is a private lawsuit filed last year under California's unique Civil Code provision 17200, the "Unfair Business Practices Act." This litigation, heading to trial now in Los Angeles, would make the power companies return the $9 billion they filched from California electricity and gas customers.

It takes real cojones to bring such a suit. Who's the plaintiff taking on the bad guys? Cruz Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor and reluctant leading candidate against Schwarzenegger.

Now follow the action. One month after Cruz brings suit, Enron's Lay calls an emergency secret meeting in L.A. of his political buck-buddies, including Arnold. Their plan, to undercut Davis (according to Enron memos) and "solve" the energy crisis -- that is, make the Bustamante legal threat go away.

How can that be done? Follow the trail with me...."
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=284&row=0


#2

Monsiour...

...do you ever workout? What kind of gains have you made lately? It's cool to be open minded and well informed about a lot of things, and I must say that I respect both your and US=GGs battles and learn a lot from them but I was just wondering...

Aside from that, on wiith the political wars!!!


#3

Jesus Christ. Fucking enough.


#4

God help us, Arnold is governor.


#5

Dumb democrates they should have been getting a candidate to beat Arnold instead they want to play dirt politics. Arnold was too smart for them.

Democrates=Dumb

Republicans=Winner


#6

Whoa..don't count your chickens yet.

From where I'm getting the news (up here in Canada), Arnie sounds like a very left-leaning republican. In fact, he could've easily run on the Democratic ticket.

He wants to increase the size of government and spending, while lowering taxes...????

Pres. Bush is a GOP member, but hell bent on increasing the size of government way beyond anything Clin-Ton ever did..

Is this the "new wave" of Republicanism? I hope not...

Though I'd trade that to get rid of the crappy Ultra-Socialist mindset that pervades this side of the border..


#7

What's your max bench?


#8

fitone, you've got to be kidding me. Dirt politics would be exactly what the recall stood for. How did the "democrates" as you so intelligently put it, participate in dirt politics? The whole recall is anti-democratic anyhow. The fact that Arnold is governor scares me more than what he will do, as he has many liberal beliefs, and has a Kennedy controlling his home life. If the economy recovers soon, the deficit will begin to disapear, if it doesn't it wont. Nothing to do with the governor at this point, as the budget has already been set by the legislature and approved by Davis. Im just worried about having a governor that supports Bush in California.


#9

What was great was that Bill Simon got around 5000 votes, while Gary Coleman got 7500 and Larry flynt 10,000


#10

Interesting article, lets see how it plays out. Can anyone explain why Ken Lay is not in prison already?

If California did successfully sue Enron for price fixing, etc, that resulting 9 billion is enough to be able to repeal the car tax, and help with the state budget crunch. I suppose Bustamante's lawsuit should still be on file.

I am curious to see if Arnold does actually kill Bustamante's Enron lawsuit and offer Enron 2 cents on the dollar, on the money Enron cheated them out of. If this story is true, it would seem that Arnold had sold out already, before he'd even served a single day in office yet.

Lets see what happens!


#11

AGATHOS: Monsiour...

...do you ever workout?

In all due respect, what the hell is the point of that question in the off-topic forum section?


#12

Fit One is right. (Bookmark this -- that is not a statement people around here tend to make. =-) ).

The Democrats weren't very smart about this whole thing, although it's probably more due to people feeling some sort of either fear of Davis or loyalty to him that they didn't run a viable candidate in the recall.

Come on. If you wanted to win a recall, why would you run, as your only candidate, the lieutenant governor of the governor who is being recalled. It might make sense for the opposing party to do this if they gov. and l.g. were of differing parties (which is possible under the CA electoral system), but it is not a good strategy if they are from the same party. Sure, the Dems claimed they did not get along, but you see how far that claim was believed by the voters.

I'm sure the Dems counted on the Republican candidates splitting the vote and being fractious with one another, but for once the Republicans in CA didn't self destruct. McClintock, while staying in the race, didn't criticize Arnold or try to run him down. McClintock would have liked to win, but as a secondary option he used his candidacy to raise his profile for a challenge to Boxer for her Senate seat, which he knew would have been gone had he criticized Arnold and been seen as the reason for the Republicans to lose this race. The only other viable Republican challengers, Ueberoth and Simon, dropped out early and supported Arnold, and Riordan never entered the race, preferring to endorse Arnold.

Now, as to the last poster, I think he is correct. Arnold is no conservative. He's about as conservative as the Republicans up here in this neck of the woods (Olympia Snow, Chris Dodd, et al). But he is opposed to some of the worst Davis did, such as the drivers' licenses for illegal immigrants, the car tax, the handouts to certain state employee unions, the relaxation of standards for bringing lawsuits (for the benefit of the plaintiffs' bar), etc.

Also, as a matter of governmental stability, I think the recall was a mistake. I also think McClintock would have been a better candidate. But given the options and the odds, I think the Republicans come out ahead -- for now. The main problem will be if things get worse, the Republicans will have succeeded in making what was problem purely of Democratic making and putting a bi-partisan face on it. We'll see if Arnold can figure out how to rein in spending, which grew around 40% per annum the last several years, and which was the main impetus for the fiscal crises (when spending continued to rise while tax revenues fell due to the bear market and the burst bubble, you had an instant deficit problem).


#13

"...every bit as scandalous as his manhandling of women during his career as celebrity he-man."

Too bad there is no scandle. The women never complained and never pressed charges. It's a non-issue, and obviously people realized that.


#14

I find the idea of anyone - even someone as high-powered as Maria Shriver - "controlling" Arnold's home life (or anything else in his life) pretty fucking laughable.

If anyone in the history of mankind ever ran his own life, it's Arnold.


#15

A lot of you who are unhappy with the result are missing two important things 1: the people of California said YES to the recall on the ballot, they could have said no 2: the people of California overwhelmingly, both democrat and republican, of all races, voted Arnold in.
Regardless of if you didn't like the result, thats what the PEOPLE LIVING IN CALIFORNIA voted on. I find it interesting people who dont live in California, and for that matter people not even living in the USA, think they know whats best for California. Let the people who LIVE in the state and as such have EXPIERENCE with the problems in that state vote on what leadership they want...
As much as I may not like the outcome, as I would have voted on someone else, a large majority of voters turned out to vote and they decided on Arnold. Now its time give him a chance to prove himself, before everyone drags him through the mud.


#16

Dan C "
AGATHOS: Monsiour...

...do you ever workout?

In all due respect, what the hell is the point of that question in the off-topic forum section? "

The point of this question/comment was to see if mq does in fact lift weights or how come he never talks about it.

Are you stepping up and saying mq is your alter identity?

Back on topic, MQ where do you come up with this stuff? It's so far out that it's not even funny at times.
And saying cruz is a man of the people, that has got to be one of the funnier parts. Just look at how he handled himself in the race. Admitting he spent too much, and then taking tons of illegal money from indians and saying he cant return it cause he spent it already.
Yeah some man of the people that is. What a legal role model.


#17

Thank you cxp...

I voted for Arnold.
Career Politicians have fucked up this state, and it's time for some new blood in the Govenors Mansion.

The people of CA have spoken.

Brad


#18

Antiliberal said: "Back on topic, MQ where do you come up with this stuff? It's so far out that it's not even funny at times.
And saying cruz is a man of the people, that has got to be one of the funnier parts. Just look at how he handled himself in the race. Admitting he spent too much, and then taking tons of illegal money from indians and saying he cant return it cause he spent it already.
Yeah some man of the people that is. What a legal role model."

You can find out where I come up with this by following the link I provided!! It goes to Palast's web page which includes the whole story. Palast is the same BBC & Guardian reporter who broke the story about Bushes rigging the 2000 election. His job before he became an investigative reporter was to investigate power companies & that's how he knows so much about Enron, etc.


#19

cxp, we also voted for Davis in the actual election. A deficit and unpopular taxes are no reason to remove someone from office, it is purely undemocratic. So saying that a majority voted for Arnold, so blah blah.... is clearly no longer a reason for people to support him.


#20

ahhhh nold. i'm still waiting for him to say "GET DOWN" in one of his speaches.lol