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Are You Going Green?


"The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome

"We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public's imagination...
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts...
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest."
- Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports

â??The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.â??
- Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University


Lots more good quotes at the site.


Arrogant fucks. What a brazen disregard for truth. The peeps who lap this stuff up are just as despicable.

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."

  • Christine Stewart,
    former Canadian Minister of the Environment


hell no! unless the population culling begins with people I hate . . . LMAO!!!


Umm, no. I've actually stopped recycling because I don't feel like walking to the blue dumpster 20 feet away from the green dumpster. I've also taken the catalytic converter of my truck now that I got it smogged. I did it right in the parking lot of the shop that smogged my truck. It's a V10. It puts out some narly fumes. I buy the little Kirkland Signature waters, that I'm so fond of, from Costco and throw those in the dumpster as well. I guess I'm contributing to the problem.


I have thought about this whole global warming issue and despite what evidence there is (on both sides of the issue), I generally don't like massive pollution going into the environment. I love the outdoors and mother nature, and while I won't consider myself a full fledged tree-hugger, I do believe we should respect our environment more. I say screw the whole global warming issue altogether, lets make better efforts to be cleaner and you solve alot of issues right there.


Well then you should be very satisfied with progress over the last few decades. Lakes are cleaner, the air is cleaner, we have net reforrestation, ect. I am with you. I love the outdoors.


Here's a question: If global warming was conclusively proven to be independent of human actions, would government bureaucrats scrap all the rules, regs, taxes, and so on?

The answer to THAT question should tell everyone the real agenda behind the global warming story.


An environmental Kuznets curve? you don't say!
...unless, of course, you're arguing the WHOLE WORLD is cleaner...then you're just being ...well...you :wink:


I am not trying to mow anyone else's lawn here, but it's nice to be able to go to the beach, lakes, or mountains and not choke because the air is so bad. I agree that we really don't know what the real agenda is behind global warming. I believe that there are some scare tactics going on, but if people can agree to just appreciate a blue sky without a shit ton of smog I think the world will be a better place. I live at the bottom of a big mountains, the Hollywood Hills, and on most days I cannot see the top of the mountain since the air is so bad. It's pathetic.


fuck going green, if it will burn it goes in my burn barrel.


LMAO! throws a tire in burn barrel I've done that once. It didn't smell like Peaches n Creme potpourri thats for sure.


Unfortunatly, I am inside the town limits. That means no burning leaves or garbage for me. Not legally anyway.


Time for some civil disobedience!! Burn those leaves!!


Or just find someone who lives outside the town where you can go burn your shit. I don't burn plastics, but 'll bun construction waste wood, paper, leaves, cardboard etc... whatever. I am an outdoorsmen myself, so I want people to respect mother nature to keep it pristine so I can enjoy it. I don't buy global warming, the sun or a massive volcanic eruption is going to fuck with the climate way more than humans ever will be able to achieve.



I agree with the spirit of this. Most people see a value in nature and want to conserve what we have for future generations. Regardless of one's thoughts on Global Warming, we can all agree on this I think.


I ran over a row of sapplings yesterday night. My Ipod was playing some really gay shit and when I went to grab it it fell out of the dock and on the floor somewhere. So I ducked down to grab it and somehow got up on the divider and did 4-6 little trees in. Oops.


Look at this http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wheat7.htm If Global Warning was true then why are most of the dates on these records before 1970. I would think that we had so much global warming would have been highest in the 80-90s. All this is is a another way for people to get control of you and what you do. In other words, "the man" is trying screw you.


No, Are you stoopid or somtin? Global warmin doesn't always mean the globe is warmin, See sometime it sets to coolin, WHILE it's a warmin. Think of it like leaven a cold beer out in the sun, at first, the can is cold, but then it gets colder cause like ice and stuff is all on the outide of the can, so it's getting colder but it's in the sun, which means it's getting warmer too, but like eventurraly it gets warm as piss and the ice melts off the can and it tastes like goat piss. So if a warmin beer gets worser when it's too hot, then a warmin globe must get wroser too.



A lake could have been cleaned, but I seriously doubt that they're cleaner on average. Besides, clean or no clean, the extinct fish species ain't coming back. And don't let me get started on the global quality of air...


Same here. I believe we should be good stewards of the land and pass things on at least as good as we found them, but I'm skeptical of all of these crises that keep popping up. "Peak water", What the fuck? I think the crisis is just about giving suburbanites something to worry about other than themselves, and these "green" products are marketing gimics.