[quote]Gregus wrote:
Are people of other beliefs allowed to enter a Muslim Mosque and community center? In other words, are infidels allowed inside?
I’m asking because i look forward to the improving relations between our religions and want to know if “myself” or my family will be able to enter this place on a sunday afternoon. [/quote]
Not all mosques, no. Most Wahabi mosques would not allow you in for example. But if you’re talking about the so-called ground-zero community center, I believe you’ll be most welcome there.[/quote]
I heard they are installing a flight simulator in there
You may or may not agree with what Chushin wrote, but he backed it up. You need to back up what you say around here. This politics and religion forum is quite vibrant.[/quote]
I’ve been in mosques in 5 parts of the UK and never had a problem. Even bradford which is known locally as ‘bradistan’ due to its high muslim population
You may or may not agree with what Chushin wrote, but he backed it up. You need to back up what you say around here. This politics and religion forum is quite vibrant.[/quote]
Chushin backed ANYTHING up !?!
AND I MISSED THE POST WHERE HE DID THAT?
Such a ripple in the force and I notice nothing…[/quote]
Some things, like “Orion is an ass,” and “Orion knows nothing about the US Civil War or American Indians but spouts off nonetheless” are self-evident.
But yeah, your reading skills are in need of repair.[/quote]
It seems that every time a thread about islam/muslims is started you come and type the exact same shit up i think we all know how much you hate islam so please DO NOT copy paste your hate speech in to other threads and to answer the original question YES you are i have been in many mosques but places like Medina are restricted.[/quote]
Hey Mr. 49 Posts,
Many of us – who’ve been around here alot longer than you – find his contributions interesting, so how about you keep your censoring opinion to yourself, ok?
Oh, and try to learn how to use punctuation and capitalization; they, too, are part of the English language.[/quote]
I have noticed that liberals, with all their preaching about “freedom” and “exhange of ideas” and whatnot are always the first ones to call for censorship of ideas they don’t like. Nancy Pelosi (3rd in line for Presidency, I believe) demanded a governmental probe of people who exercised their 1st Amendment right to disagree about the Victory Mosque they want to put on Ground Zero.
I also learned what “hate speech” is. Hate speech is anything with which liberals disagree. The most hateful “hate speech,” tends to be a list of objective facts and quotes that challenges a liberal’s pre-determined world view. Apparently, facts of logic – compared to emotion – hurt liberals’ brains. Hence, it’s “hate.”
As someone who on this board would probably be labelled ‘liberal’ (but the whole concept of political spectrum is comparatively warped in America - Obama would be far more right wing than our current right wing leader but this is moot)
You can say what you want but I can call you an asswipe in return
Hate speech is something that is likely to cause others to act hatefully. Now your blanket generalisation of how ‘liberals’ think (nice umbrella terms, it’s not liberalism is one huge socialist army going to nationalise everything NOW) is many things, mainly stereotypical, but not hateful. It would be hateful if you said we were all paedophiles and thus we should be shot
You said muslims don’t generally let people into mosques because they regard them as unclean. Nowhere have I been and found this case. Where have you?
[quote]Bambi wrote:
3) You said muslims don’t generally let people into mosques because they regard them as unclean. Nowhere have I been and found this case. Where have you?[/quote]
It is standard practice in most muslim countries to shun and lock doors on non-muslims, in everything from mosques to hotels. And yes, I have experienced that.
Do they have lower standards for potential converts or those that they see as potential converts? Probably.
Do non-fundamental muslims who do not adhere to the text of the koran have exceptions? Sure.
Again, the accepted Shia teaching is that the "touching of non-Muslims is discouraged, because they are considered to be in the same ‘unclean’ category as “urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, alcoholic liquors, and the sweat of an animal who persistently eats [unclean things].”
The Shia teachings appear (to me, as a non-muslim) well-founded in the text of the koran, which: (1) forbids muslims from taking non-muslims as friends (3.28); (2) encourages the murder of non-muslims who refuse to convert or pay jizya (9. 29, 2.191. 9.123, 8.65, 8.12, 9.5); and (3) maime and crucify anyone who critizes islam (5.33), 22.19), etc.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
3) You said muslims don’t generally let people into mosques because they regard them as unclean. Nowhere have I been and found this case. Where have you?[/quote]
It is standard practice in most muslim countries to shun and lock doors on non-muslims, in everything from mosques to hotels. And yes, I have experienced that.
Do they have lower standards for potential converts or those that they see as potential converts? Probably.
Do non-fundamental muslims who do not adhere to the text of the koran have exceptions? Sure.
Again, the accepted Shia teaching is that the "touching of non-Muslims is discouraged, because they are considered to be in the same ‘unclean’ category as “urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, alcoholic liquors, and the sweat of an animal who persistently eats [unclean things].”
The Shia teachings appear (to me, as a non-muslim) well-founded in the text of the koran, which: (1) forbids muslims from taking non-muslims as friends (3.28); (2) encourages the murder of non-muslims who refuse to convert or pay jizya (9. 29, 2.191. 9.123, 8.65, 8.12, 9.5); and (3) maime and crucify anyone who critizes islam (5.33), 22.19), etc.[/quote]
I can’t imagine they’d be mean to you being Jewish and all…
[quote]Bambi wrote:
(but the whole concept of political spectrum is comparatively warped in America - Obama would be far more right wing than our current right wing leader but this is moot)[/quote]
Wtf? How in the hell can you consider a communist…er socialist…right winged? If you’re using modern republicans as an example, you clearly have zero idea of politics. Modern republicans are not right winged or conservative (this is generally speaking of course).
I can’t imagine they’d be mean to you being Jewish and all…[/quote]
Jewish people serve the world as acting as the proverbial “canary in the coal mine.”
The tip of the spear of any given destructive force (be communism, fascism, islamic radicalism, or the Roman Catholic Inquisition) invariably hits us first.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
3) You said muslims don’t generally let people into mosques because they regard them as unclean. Nowhere have I been and found this case. Where have you?[/quote]
It is standard practice in most muslim countries to shun and lock doors on non-muslims, in everything from mosques to hotels. And yes, I have experienced that.
Do they have lower standards for potential converts or those that they see as potential converts? Probably.
Do non-fundamental muslims who do not adhere to the text of the koran have exceptions? Sure.
Again, the accepted Shia teaching is that the "touching of non-Muslims is discouraged, because they are considered to be in the same ‘unclean’ category as “urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, alcoholic liquors, and the sweat of an animal who persistently eats [unclean things].”
The Shia teachings appear (to me, as a non-muslim) well-founded in the text of the koran, which: (1) forbids muslims from taking non-muslims as friends (3.28); (2) encourages the murder of non-muslims who refuse to convert or pay jizya (9. 29, 2.191. 9.123, 8.65, 8.12, 9.5); and (3) maime and crucify anyone who critizes islam (5.33), 22.19), etc.[/quote]
Okay dude I’ll take your word for it. I’ll be in Lebanon and Jordan at Christmas time so I’ll see if its the case
[quote]Bambi wrote:
(but the whole concept of political spectrum is comparatively warped in America - Obama would be far more right wing than our current right wing leader but this is moot)[/quote]
Wtf? How in the hell can you consider a communist…er socialist…right winged? If you’re using modern republicans as an example, you clearly have zero idea of politics. Modern republicans are not right winged or conservative (this is generally speaking of course).[/quote]
Because my family have lived under the Nazis and the Communists before they got out and as far as I see Obama has not:
a) liquidated the middle class
b) sent political prisoners off to gulags
c) Sent word to Putin that he wants to kiss his foot
d) Stifled freedom of press
e) collectivised agriculture
etc etc etc this is why the comparisons with Obama and communism or socialism are so laughable and derisory
and Obama is just another American president upholding American business interests (fair enough) and screwing over every country that’s ever been loyal to him to get what he wants (not so fair). Same old same old he’s just another suit.
I can’t imagine they’d be mean to you being Jewish and all…[/quote]
Jewish people serve the world as acting as the proverbial “canary in the coal mine.”
The tip of the spear of any given destructive force (be communism, fascism, islamic radicalism, or the Roman Catholic Inquisition) invariably hits us first.[/quote]
The Spanish Inquisition was the action of Ferdinand and Isabel and was geared toward the Moores. The Jews were just in the way. Since they ran a theological/ monarchy the best way to keep themselves out of another religious war, was to eliminate all other religions from the Iberian peninsula. That was the point of the inquisition. Sixtus was rather pissed off about it actually when word got back, but he was powerless to stop it since the there was spanish army on loan on the other side of the continent fighting the moores from that side.
But otherwise you are right. Ever since Rome invaded, the Jews had become pretty much a urinal cake for everybody, which sucks. Hey, I am a fan of the Jews and of Israel. I am a zionist in spirit at least.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
(but the whole concept of political spectrum is comparatively warped in America - Obama would be far more right wing than our current right wing leader but this is moot)[/quote]
Wtf? How in the hell can you consider a communist…er socialist…right winged? If you’re using modern republicans as an example, you clearly have zero idea of politics. Modern republicans are not right winged or conservative (this is generally speaking of course).[/quote]
Because my family have lived under the Nazis and the Communists before they got out and as far as I see Obama has not:
a) liquidated the middle class
b) sent political prisoners off to gulags
c) Sent word to Putin that he wants to kiss his foot
d) Stifled freedom of press
e) collectivised agriculture
etc etc etc this is why the comparisons with Obama and communism or socialism are so laughable and derisory
and Obama is just another American president upholding American business interests (fair enough) and screwing over every country that’s ever been loyal to him to get what he wants (not so fair). Same old same old he’s just another suit.[/quote]
Yeah, but he has fucked up and allow Iran to go nuclear with the help of Russia. Nearly bankrupted the country with nothing to show for it, etc. The honeymoon is definitely over. I didn’t think it was possible, but I think he’s starting to really head into trouble. Nothing he does works, and finally people see it.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
I agree with all of that, I think he’s not as bad as W but he is a very weak and unintelligent leader. But not a socialist one :)[/quote]
Socialism is not interchangeable with Nazism and communism. and Communism is not interchangeable with communist Russia. Obama does not have to be hitler or stalin to be socialist.
