Are people of other beliefs allowed to enter a Muslim Mosque and community center? In other words, are infidels allowed inside?
I’m asking because i look forward to the improving relations between our religions and want to know if “myself” or my family will be able to enter this place on a sunday afternoon.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Are people of other beliefs allowed to enter a Muslim Mosque and community center? In other words, are infidels allowed inside?
I’m asking because i look forward to the improving relations between our religions and want to know if “myself” or my family will be able to enter this place on a sunday afternoon. [/quote]
Not all mosques, no. Most Wahabi mosques would not allow you in for example. But if you’re talking about the so-called ground-zero community center, I believe you’ll be most welcome there.
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Depends on where you are, In Melbourne recently we had a scumbag drug dealer have his service at the Mosque, the equally scumbag drug dealing Hell’s angels attended and entered.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]lixy wrote:
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Are people of other beliefs allowed to enter a Muslim Mosque and community center? In other words, are infidels allowed inside?
I’m asking because i look forward to the improving relations between our religions and want to know if “myself” or my family will be able to enter this place on a sunday afternoon. [/quote]
Not all mosques, no. Most Wahabi mosques would not allow you in for example.[/quote]
And the reason is?[/quote]
They say it’s to avoid incidents where you show your disgusting willy to the crowd.
But everybody knows it’s so you don’t get to hear their secret plans to take over the world with the help of Obama. Or see them feasting on the flesh and blood of infidel babies.
[quote]lixy wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]lixy wrote:
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Are people of other beliefs allowed to enter a Muslim Mosque and community center? In other words, are infidels allowed inside?
I’m asking because i look forward to the improving relations between our religions and want to know if “myself” or my family will be able to enter this place on a sunday afternoon. [/quote]
Not all mosques, no. Most Wahabi mosques would not allow you in for example.[/quote]
And the reason is?[/quote]
They say it’s to avoid incidents where you show your disgusting willy to the crowd.
But everybody knows it’s so you don’t get to hear their secret plans to take over the world with the help of Obama. Or see them feasting on the flesh and blood of infidel babies.[/quote]
And again.
The Jews do that.
I know, because my mother studies history.
Dont mix up your stereotypes.
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[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]lixy wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]lixy wrote:
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Are people of other beliefs allowed to enter a Muslim Mosque and community center? In other words, are infidels allowed inside?
I’m asking because i look forward to the improving relations between our religions and want to know if “myself” or my family will be able to enter this place on a sunday afternoon. [/quote]
Not all mosques, no. Most Wahabi mosques would not allow you in for example.[/quote]
And the reason is?[/quote]
They say it’s to avoid incidents where you show your disgusting willy to the crowd.
But everybody knows it’s so you don’t get to hear their secret plans to take over the world with the help of Obama. Or see them feasting on the flesh and blood of infidel babies.[/quote]
And again.
The Jews do that.
I know, because my mother studies history.
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And your grandfathers made it…[/quote]
And they used the same excuses your contenporaries are using now…
Not typically, no.
The reason is infidels such as myself (and presumably you) are considered unclean.
As Iraqâ??s â??moderateâ?? Ayatollah Ali Sistani â?? probably the worldâ??s most influential Shiite cleric â?? has explained, the touching of non-Muslims is discouraged, because they are considered to be in the same â??uncleanâ?? category as â??urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, alcoholic liquors, and the sweat of an animal who persistently eats [unclean things].â??
Non-Muslims are barred from entering the cities of Mecca and Medina â?? not merely barred from building synagogues or churches, but barred, period, because their infidel feet are deemed unfit to touch the ground. This is not an al-Qaeda principle. Nor is it an â??Islamistâ?? principle. It is Islam, pure and simple.
â??Truly the pagans are unclean,â?? instructs the Koranâ??s Sura 9:28, â??so let them not . . . approach the Sacred Mosque.â?? This injunction â?? and there are plenty of similar ones in Islamâ??s scriptures â?? is enforced vigorously not by jihadist terrorists but by the Saudi government. And it is enforced not because of some eccentric sense of Saudi nationalism. The only law of Saudi Arabia is sharia, the law of Islam.
Sura 9:29, the verse of the Koran that immediately follows the commandment to exclude non-Muslims from holy sites, instructs: â??Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the people of the Book [i.e., Jews and Christians], until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.â??
The jizya is a poll-tax imposed on dhimmis. Those are non-Muslims permitted to live in Islamic territories. The concept is that all the world will eventually be under the thumb of sharia authorities, with dhimmis tolerated so long as they accept their subordinate legal and social status (â??and feel themselves subduedâ??). The alternative for dhimmis is war or death.
In the United States, there is no threat to religious liberty . . . except where there are high concentrations of Muslims. Not high concentrations of al-Qaeda sympathizers â?? high concentrations of Muslims. As Muslims have flocked to Dearborn, Mich., for example, Henry Fordâ??s hometown has become infamous for its support of Hezbollah. Recently, four Christian missionaries were arrested by Dearborn police for the crime of handing out copies of St. Johnâ??s gospel on a public street outside an Arab festival. The police called it disturbing the peace. But the peace was disturbed only due to the foreboding sense that Muslims might take riotous offense, because sharia forbids the preaching of religions other than Islam.
In Minneapolis, where thousands of Somalis have settled, taxpayers are being forced to support sharia-compliant mortgages and at least one Islamic charter school. Meantime, taxi drivers refuse to ferry passengers suspected of carrying alcohol, and a student in need of a dogâ??s assistance for medical reasons was driven from school due to threats from Muslim students against him and the animal â?? because sharia regards canines as unclean.
This aggression is a deliberate strategy, called â??voluntary apartheid.â?? The idea, as explained by influential Sunni cleric Yusuf Qaradawi (the Muslim Brotherhoodâ??s spiritual guide), counsels that Muslims in the West must push political leaders to indulge what he claims is their â??right to live according to our faith â?? ideologically, legislatively, and ethically.â?? It is what imam Feisal Rauf means when he urges America to become more sharia-friendly by allowing â??religious communities more leeway to judge among themselves, according to their laws.â??
I’ve visited mosques as a tourist without difficulty – except the Masjid al-Aqsa in Jerusalem, which is closed to non-Muslims. As I understand Mecca and Medina are also closed.
When you are allowed to visit the usual rules apply: dress to cover your knees and shoulders, and take off your shoes before entering.
What’s more important to ask: Would Ann Coulter be allowed into a mosque? I’m not going unless Annie is allowed entry too.
Ya know guys, this question never comes up with Christian churches. All are welcome unless they make a disturbance. This says something.
The USA is similar. We let people in as long as they don’t disturb the society. We even allow them to apply for citizenship. The USA is a Christian nation.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]lixy wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]lixy wrote:
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Are people of other beliefs allowed to enter a Muslim Mosque and community center? In other words, are infidels allowed inside?
I’m asking because i look forward to the improving relations between our religions and want to know if “myself” or my family will be able to enter this place on a sunday afternoon. [/quote]
Not all mosques, no. Most Wahabi mosques would not allow you in for example.[/quote]
And the reason is?[/quote]
They say it’s to avoid incidents where you show your disgusting willy to the crowd.
But everybody knows it’s so you don’t get to hear their secret plans to take over the world with the help of Obama. Or see them feasting on the flesh and blood of infidel babies.[/quote]
And again.
The Jews do that.
I know, because my mother studies history.
Dont mix up your stereotypes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel[/quote]
Those darn Jews and their Matzo. It reminds me of the surrah that says, when Jews cause mischief it’s as if they killed all of humanity.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
I’ve visited mosques as a tourist without difficulty – except the Masjid al-Aqsa in Jerusalem, which is closed to non-Muslims. As I understand Mecca and Medina are also closed.
When you are allowed to visit the usual rules apply: dress to cover your knees and shoulders, and take off your shoes before entering.[/quote]
I visited the Masjid Istiqlal, in Jakarta a few years back. Same gig.
You can enter most mosques without problems.
Just once, try to conquer the fear of imminent death! You’ll feel great afterwards. (the strange feeling you’ll experience the first time is called “broadening one’s own horizon”)
Also, most mosques are pretty boring. Bunch of empty rooms.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Not typically, no.
The reason is infidels such as myself (and presumably you) are considered unclean.
As Iraqâ??s â??moderateâ?? Ayatollah Ali Sistani â?? probably the worldâ??s most influential Shiite cleric â?? has explained, the touching of non-Muslims is discouraged, because they are considered to be in the same â??uncleanâ?? category as â??urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, alcoholic liquors, and the sweat of an animal who persistently eats [unclean things].â??
Non-Muslims are barred from entering the cities of Mecca and Medina â?? not merely barred from building synagogues or churches, but barred, period, because their infidel feet are deemed unfit to touch the ground. This is not an al-Qaeda principle. Nor is it an â??Islamistâ?? principle. It is Islam, pure and simple.
â??Truly the pagans are unclean,â?? instructs the Koranâ??s Sura 9:28, â??so let them not . . . approach the Sacred Mosque.â?? This injunction â?? and there are plenty of similar ones in Islamâ??s scriptures â?? is enforced vigorously not by jihadist terrorists but by the Saudi government. And it is enforced not because of some eccentric sense of Saudi nationalism. The only law of Saudi Arabia is sharia, the law of Islam.
Sura 9:29, the verse of the Koran that immediately follows the commandment to exclude non-Muslims from holy sites, instructs: â??Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the people of the Book [i.e., Jews and Christians], until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.â??
The jizya is a poll-tax imposed on dhimmis. Those are non-Muslims permitted to live in Islamic territories. The concept is that all the world will eventually be under the thumb of sharia authorities, with dhimmis tolerated so long as they accept their subordinate legal and social status (â??and feel themselves subduedâ??). The alternative for dhimmis is war or death.
In the United States, there is no threat to religious liberty . . . except where there are high concentrations of Muslims. Not high concentrations of al-Qaeda sympathizers â?? high concentrations of Muslims. As Muslims have flocked to Dearborn, Mich., for example, Henry Fordâ??s hometown has become infamous for its support of Hezbollah. Recently, four Christian missionaries were arrested by Dearborn police for the crime of handing out copies of St. Johnâ??s gospel on a public street outside an Arab festival. The police called it disturbing the peace. But the peace was disturbed only due to the foreboding sense that Muslims might take riotous offense, because sharia forbids the preaching of religions other than Islam.
In Minneapolis, where thousands of Somalis have settled, taxpayers are being forced to support sharia-compliant mortgages and at least one Islamic charter school. Meantime, taxi drivers refuse to ferry passengers suspected of carrying alcohol, and a student in need of a dogâ??s assistance for medical reasons was driven from school due to threats from Muslim students against him and the animal â?? because sharia regards canines as unclean.
This aggression is a deliberate strategy, called â??voluntary apartheid.â?? The idea, as explained by influential Sunni cleric Yusuf Qaradawi (the Muslim Brotherhoodâ??s spiritual guide), counsels that Muslims in the West must push political leaders to indulge what he claims is their â??right to live according to our faith â?? ideologically, legislatively, and ethically.â?? It is what imam Feisal Rauf means when he urges America to become more sharia-friendly by allowing â??religious communities more leeway to judge among themselves, according to their laws.â??
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It seems that every time a thread about islam/muslims is started you come and type the exact same shit up i think we all know how much you hate islam so please DO NOT copy paste your hate speech in to other threads and to answer the original question YES you are i have been in many mosques but places like Medina are restricted.
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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
You can enter most mosques without problems.
Just once, try to conquer the fear of imminent death! You’ll feel great afterwards. (the strange feeling you’ll experience the first time is called “broadening one’s own horizon”)
Also, most mosques are pretty boring. Bunch of empty rooms.[/quote]
Are those the training rooms?
I have been to a mosque with an old muslim co-worker for their Friday service. I got the prayer book in English. The service was very moderate, at least that day it was. It was a bunch of bowing ans standing. Then sitting for a brief sermon.
I do think they should include the pits, not just wash face, feet and hands. When you stand shoulder to shoulder, you can smell your neighbor pretty good. Of course women had a little room where they are allowed to pray. I think they would rather have a boy rat, than a woman in the main mosque. Even moderate, they are very disrespectful to women. Just further proof that a reformation with in islam is badly, badly needed, even in the moderate sects of the faith.
The extremist versions need to reform or be eliminated, immediately to garner any respect. They are the reason most non-muslims think they are evil. Nobody stands up to them…The change has to come from with in to be successful.
He was a very modern moderate guy…, until it came to Jews. He hated the fuck out of Jews, other than that he was pretty cool.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
It seems that every time a thread about islam/muslims is started you come and type the exact same shit up i think we all know how much you hate islam so please DO NOT copy paste your hate speech in to other threads and to answer the original question YES you are i have been in many mosques but places like Medina are restricted.[/quote]
Hey Mr. 49 Posts,
Many of us – who’ve been around here alot longer than you – find his contributions interesting, so how about you keep your censoring opinion to yourself, ok?
Oh, and try to learn how to use punctuation and capitalization; they, too, are part of the English language.[/quote]
I agree you cannot be a newbie and then come around and start telling people what to do. There is history here of which you are not aware. If you have a counter argument, then make it. You ain’t the new Sheriff in town.
You may or may not agree with what Chushin wrote, but he backed it up. You need to back up what you say around here. This politics and religion forum is quite vibrant.