[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
Now, I know this is a bodybuilding site and we all want perfect bodies and so on… I’m not saying that it’s ok to be fat or anything, but I don’t think this is the best message to be sending either.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but if that’s the case, why are you here? To strive for perfection is the hallmark of all great athletes and champions. I expect excellence out of myself because everyone else sucks so bad and I refuse to be anything like them. I personally would rather beat myself up over imperfections than accept mediocrity. Screw that noise. I won’t be happy until I attain it, and that’s fine with me even if it never happens.
Ideals exist for a reason. They give us something to shoot for. Something to look up to. And moreover, since I know that at least a few people have achieved it before me, I know that I can too.
I’m not saying that striving for excellence is a bad thing, just that I don’t necessarily agree with some of the messages put out by the mass media. I don’t consider this site, or the sports discussed to be a part of the mass media. (If they were, people would not be asking me if I was going to go spray tanning before my POWERLIFTING competition)
Oftentimes the magazines are selling a worthless product along with an ideal that said product will never help one achieve. This is what I have a problem with, not this site, or the individual’s on here who are attempting to attain what they percieve to be perfection. After reading my original post again I realized thats what it sounded like. [/quote]
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. And lol at the spray tanning! Are you serious? I have to say though, it may be my cynicism but corporations and media have always pushed crappy products and advertised them to be the next panacea–morphine, heroin, snake oil, and early “health” tonics anyone? So although I hate it and rant against it, I don’t really care about it that much in the grand scheme–people have to think about what they’re buying into, and some have to learn the hard way, just my perception of the way life works.
So, suggesting perfection is attainable for all/making people feel worthless if they are not perfect = bad. Striving to be the best/strongest/fastest/healthiest you can be = good.[/quote]
I agree with you in principle, the key question though is where do you draw the line? I mean, I’m sure there were people in ancient Greece and Rome who saw the statues of Hercules and other mythic heroes, or gladiatorial/military heroes and got depressed b/c they could never be like that. And I’m sure that during the renaissance the explosion of nude art and other physical ideals were cause for some people to become depressed and have low self esteem because they felt like they could never attain that ideal. Of course, those statues and arts, and the early physical culture also had profound impacts on other people that may have caused them to achieve great things as well.
So in my mind it’s the responsibility of the reader to have the mental and emotional stability to NOT become psychologically imbalanced when exposed to this kind of thing. Now, I do know that there is a certain small segment of society for which this may be near impossible due to latent chemical imbalances or childhood experiences. And I do know that there is a line of objectifying women that should not be crossed, along with a responsibility of the media to not cross that line. But it’s still the reader’s responsibility in my mind, and always has been.
And I don’t think that we should start catering to that small minority with latent chemical imbalances who will inevitably become mentally/emotionally disturbed after reading or seeing these ideals. that’s what got us into this NAAFA, etc. in the first nonsense. We shouldn’t cater to the lowest expectations in my mind, and we should encourage the pursuit of excellence, as many of the ancients did–make it cultural. In Greece and Rome, despite their numerous faults, the pursuit of excellence in any form was a cultural ideal and expectation.
I hope this make sense, I just got done with a strongman workout and my mind is kind of clouded after all the keg runs…