Are Forever Chemicals Really Killing Us?

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Trust me, I don’t catch the big ones often!! We have a little 186 acre lake far away from rivers and civilization. I think we’re about as worry free as we can get with fish, but yeah. Worth discussing.

I’ve eaten fish about this often since I was a toddler, and I’m 40. I think I’ll willfully ignore this for now, revisit it again later.

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I still avoid them if I can, food wrappers and non-stick pans. I don’t trust research anymore since it’s all directly or indirectly industry funded. The article (7) indicating the obesogenic effects can be overcome with diet and exercise sounds very much like industry funding. I also don’t like the industry changing formulations, maybe PFAS aren’t so bad but who knows about the next gen “safe” ones?

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Thank you for sharing the EPA’s site. I’ll use this as an example of what I was saying in my previous post. Again, I’m all for the precautionary principle, but it’s not debated that we don’t have solid evidence for many of the potential health effects and many are prone to confounding. Notice the language the EPA uses below versus the language they use for asbestos or cigarette smoke:

What EPA Has Learned So Far- Because of their widespread use and their persistence in the environment, many PFAS are found in the blood of people and animals all over the world and are present at low levels in a variety of food products and in the environment.

  • PFAS are found in water, air, fish, and soil at locations across the nation and the globe.
  • Scientific studies have shown that exposure to some PFAS in the environment may be linked to harmful health effects in humans and animals.
  • There are thousands of PFAS chemicals, and they are found in many different consumer, commercial, and industrial products. This makes it challenging to study and assess the potential human health and environmental risks.

What We Don’t Fully Understand Yet- - How harmful PFAS are to people and the environment

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That paper was actually non-industry with authors from Harvard and the CDC. Those authors truly seem to believe that PFAS are a potential cause of obesity which just isn’t a well supported position.

I do agree that it doesn’t hurt to avoid PFAS. And you make a good point regarding the next generation of PFAS replacements. I sometimes wonder if we’re merely trading potential issues.

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I traced it back too but they have ways of unofficially directing funding, “punitive withdrawals of funds”, revolving door jobs etc. Can never be sure.

Trading issues, or maybe just amplifying them haha.

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No, but I live in a capitalist country (the US), so they are the culprits here. The USSR did plenty of stupid things to their environment for “progress” and their state capitalists system. When money is the goal, expect bad outcomes.

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India, China and Russia are the biggest culprits to the destroying of the environment and they are hardly capitalists