Are Death Panels Real?

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Not quite. Insurance companies do have a say but doctors still have ways around it.

Death is inevitable, cost of care at end of life is always a factor in decisions, just as the comfort of the patient is considered. As it should be.[/quote]

I do think that when people have good insurance the Medical comunnity tries to keep people alive , even when death is inevitable . On the same hand I contend there are young healthy people that die because the have no way to pay for expensive health care

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Not quite. Insurance companies do have a say but doctors still have ways around it.

Death is inevitable, cost of care at end of life is always a factor in decisions, just as the comfort of the patient is considered. As it should be.[/quote]

I do think that when people have good insurance the Medical comunnity tries to keep people alive , even when death is inevitable . On the same hand I contend there are young healthy people that die because the have no way to pay for expensive health care [/quote]

Agree with the first part, not so much with the second.

Hospitals will pile up every test and treatment on someone with good insurance, they do this to make extra money to cover those that don’t pay the bills.

They rarely let people die due to a lack of money but they usually will not replace a hip or knee unless the person can pay for it.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Not quite. Insurance companies do have a say but doctors still have ways around it.

Death is inevitable, cost of care at end of life is always a factor in decisions, just as the comfort of the patient is considered. As it should be.[/quote]

I do think that when people have good insurance the Medical comunnity tries to keep people alive , even when death is inevitable . On the same hand I contend there are young healthy people that die because the have no way to pay for expensive health care [/quote]

Agree with the first part, not so much with the second.

Hospitals will pile up every test and treatment on someone with good insurance, they do this to make extra money to cover those that don’t pay the bills.

They rarely let people die due to a lack of money but they usually will not replace a hip or knee unless the person can pay for it.[/quote]

http://www.kpho.com/news/25811486/detail.html

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Not quite. Insurance companies do have a say but doctors still have ways around it.

Death is inevitable, cost of care at end of life is always a factor in decisions, just as the comfort of the patient is considered. As it should be.[/quote]

I do think that when people have good insurance the Medical comunnity tries to keep people alive , even when death is inevitable . On the same hand I contend there are young healthy people that die because the have no way to pay for expensive health care [/quote]

Agree with the first part, not so much with the second.

Hospitals will pile up every test and treatment on someone with good insurance, they do this to make extra money to cover those that don’t pay the bills.

They rarely let people die due to a lack of money but they usually will not replace a hip or knee unless the person can pay for it.[/quote]

http://www.kpho.com/news/25811486/detail.html
[/quote]

Wow, you just proved my point. There are death panels in govt healthcare. The story you linked was about medicade, not a private ins company. I bet he wishes he would have gotten off the free ride a little sooner. No disrespect intended for the deceased, just making a point.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Kevorkian[/quote]

There is a reason why he went to jail so many times. Euthanasia is unethical in dealing with people. [/quote]

But forcing people to stay alive when they are suffering greatly, have no quality of life and no chance of a recovery so someone can milk the insurance system is ethical?

He wasn’t helping people die who were repairable. Those people had no hope of survival, they just wanted to end their suffering. Don’t try to characterize what he did as something it wasn’t.[/quote]

Not true. He killed at least one that was not terminally ill but merely sffered from extreme depression.

I believe in the right to choose death but he stepped WAY over the line.[/quote]

Wow…one person in how many? At least that person wanted to die and could do it in a safe environment. At least that person knew it would work. When you attempt suicide you don’t know if it’s going to work or not (depending on the method).

Sifu, thank you for commenting. I was going to say the same thing. I don’t get why, if I’m in constant pain from a terminal illness, I have to stay alive and whither away. Give me something that will put me out of my misery and allow my family to go on.
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Wow, he murdered at least one. Grant him sainthood!

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It’s not murder if the person wanted to die.

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[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?
[/quote]

You missed my point, you did not get the treatment , you will die , but you can quit sending them a premium , Yeah a Doctor is going to extend a 1/4 million credit to a homeless person .I do not think health care is a right but I think it should be

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[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Not quite. Insurance companies do have a say but doctors still have ways around it.

Death is inevitable, cost of care at end of life is always a factor in decisions, just as the comfort of the patient is considered. As it should be.[/quote]

I do think that when people have good insurance the Medical comunnity tries to keep people alive , even when death is inevitable . On the same hand I contend there are young healthy people that die because the have no way to pay for expensive health care [/quote]

Agree with the first part, not so much with the second.

Hospitals will pile up every test and treatment on someone with good insurance, they do this to make extra money to cover those that don’t pay the bills.

They rarely let people die due to a lack of money but they usually will not replace a hip or knee unless the person can pay for it.[/quote]

http://www.kpho.com/news/25811486/detail.html
[/quote]

Wow, you just proved my point. There are death panels in govt healthcare. The story you linked was about medicade, not a private ins company. I bet he wishes he would have gotten off the free ride a little sooner. No disrespect intended for the deceased, just making a point.
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your right the death panels exist . I think we agree

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?
[/quote]

You missed my point, you did not get the treatment , you will die , but you can quit sending them a premium , Yeah a Doctor is going to extend a 1/4 million credit to a homeless person .I do not think health care is a right but I think it should be
[/quote]

So you are actually in favor of govt healthcare, who should pay?

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[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?
[/quote]

You missed my point, you did not get the treatment , you will die , but you can quit sending them a premium , Yeah a Doctor is going to extend a 1/4 million credit to a homeless person .I do not think health care is a right but I think it should be
[/quote]

So you are actually in favor of govt healthcare, who should pay?[/quote]

Yes I am in favor of Socialized Medicine , I think the tax payer should pay, I think we could quit dominating the world militarily and cancel the war on drugs, with the money we save we could adequately finance Health Care and Education for all Residents and still balance the budget .

The for profit Health Care has all the costs that a Public Option would have and in addition it has to show a profit. That profit is called extra cost .

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?
[/quote]

You missed my point, you did not get the treatment , you will die , but you can quit sending them a premium , Yeah a Doctor is going to extend a 1/4 million credit to a homeless person .I do not think health care is a right but I think it should be
[/quote]

So you are actually in favor of govt healthcare, who should pay?[/quote]

Yes I am in favor of Socialized Medicine , I think the tax payer should pay, I think we could quit dominating the world militarily and cancel the war on drugs, with the money we save we could adequately finance Health Care and Education for all Residents and still balance the budget .

The for profit Health Care has all the costs that a Public Option would have and in addition it has to show a profit. That profit is called extra cost .
[/quote]

That kind of plan has been tried and always fails. Canada is trying to go to a private system, and there are stories of people dieing while on a waiting list for an appy. Why should I have to pay for others healthcare? The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. If you take profit incentive out by taxing higher, people will quit making so much money, then there are no more rich people to take the brunt of the tax.

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I’m Canadian. A few years ago I had to get an emergency appendectomy. I showed up, the checked my bloodwork, and some other tests, one hour later, I was in the OR. Canada has made it work. :slight_smile:
Too many corporations have their hands in your gov’ts pocket, to be strong everywhere is to be weak everywhere. Look at your military budget, your gov’t would rather spend money on invading foreigners, than providing healthcare for it’s own citizens.
Lot’s of countries have made healthcare work, there’s no reason America can’t as well. A choice must be made what’s more important.
I forget who wrote it, I’m thinking it was Rockscar, I could very well be wrong, but whoever said that something procedures that cost up to $5k or something, should be footed by the individual, then people would have to be more responsible for their health, not going out and breaking hands in fights, eating right, etc.
IMO, people that are higher risk should have to pay more than people that take care of themselves. I’ve always thought of the fact that two t-shirts, one medium/large, and one XXXL, the XXXL one has more fabric, but costs the same as the medium/large, so the smaller people end up paying the same for less fabric, therefore bringing down the cost of larger people’s shirts. lol

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Don’t you people know anything? We have to have death panels. We must strip Americans of their economic rights, their money and their lives.

I mean, where else is the money supposed to come from when the next Bank Bailout is needed?

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[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?
[/quote]

You missed my point, you did not get the treatment , you will die , but you can quit sending them a premium , Yeah a Doctor is going to extend a 1/4 million credit to a homeless person .I do not think health care is a right but I think it should be
[/quote]

So you are actually in favor of govt healthcare, who should pay?[/quote]

Yes I am in favor of Socialized Medicine , I think the tax payer should pay, I think we could quit dominating the world militarily and cancel the war on drugs, with the money we save we could adequately finance Health Care and Education for all Residents and still balance the budget .

The for profit Health Care has all the costs that a Public Option would have and in addition it has to show a profit. That profit is called extra cost .
[/quote]

That kind of plan has been tried and always fails. Canada is trying to go to a private system, and there are stories of people dieing while on a waiting list for an appy. Why should I have to pay for others healthcare? The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. If you take profit incentive out by taxing higher, people will quit making so much money, then there are no more rich people to take the brunt of the tax.[/quote]

I think your theory is flawed , socialism as a Government is flawed. Just as Capitalism as a Government is flawed. I say take the best from all forms of government

here is a story about a person that will die because he has no health Insurance
http://www.kpho.com/news/25811486/detail.html

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?
[/quote]

You missed my point, you did not get the treatment , you will die , but you can quit sending them a premium , Yeah a Doctor is going to extend a 1/4 million credit to a homeless person .I do not think health care is a right but I think it should be
[/quote]

So you are actually in favor of govt healthcare, who should pay?[/quote]

Yes I am in favor of Socialized Medicine , I think the tax payer should pay, I think we could quit dominating the world militarily and cancel the war on drugs, with the money we save we could adequately finance Health Care and Education for all Residents and still balance the budget .

The for profit Health Care has all the costs that a Public Option would have and in addition it has to show a profit. That profit is called extra cost .
[/quote]

That kind of plan has been tried and always fails. Canada is trying to go to a private system, and there are stories of people dieing while on a waiting list for an appy. Why should I have to pay for others healthcare? The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. If you take profit incentive out by taxing higher, people will quit making so much money, then there are no more rich people to take the brunt of the tax.[/quote]

I think your theory is flawed , socialism as a Government is flawed. Just as Capitalism as a Government is flawed. I say take the best from all forms of government

here is a story about a person that will die because he has no health Insurance
http://www.kpho.com/news/25811486/detail.html[/quote]

This is the same story you posted before, and as I pointed out before, this guy is on medicaid. Medicaid, as I am sure you know, is socialized medicine that you say you want. If he had private ins. this might not have happened. This proves my point that death panels excist.

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[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?
[/quote]

You missed my point, you did not get the treatment , you will die , but you can quit sending them a premium , Yeah a Doctor is going to extend a 1/4 million credit to a homeless person .I do not think health care is a right but I think it should be
[/quote]

So you are actually in favor of govt healthcare, who should pay?[/quote]

Yes I am in favor of Socialized Medicine , I think the tax payer should pay, I think we could quit dominating the world militarily and cancel the war on drugs, with the money we save we could adequately finance Health Care and Education for all Residents and still balance the budget .

The for profit Health Care has all the costs that a Public Option would have and in addition it has to show a profit. That profit is called extra cost .
[/quote]

That kind of plan has been tried and always fails. Canada is trying to go to a private system, and there are stories of people dieing while on a waiting list for an appy. Why should I have to pay for others healthcare? The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. If you take profit incentive out by taxing higher, people will quit making so much money, then there are no more rich people to take the brunt of the tax.[/quote]

I think your theory is flawed , socialism as a Government is flawed. Just as Capitalism as a Government is flawed. I say take the best from all forms of government

here is a story about a person that will die because he has no health Insurance
http://www.kpho.com/news/25811486/detail.html[/quote]

This is the same story you posted before, and as I pointed out before, this guy is on medicaid. Medicaid, as I am sure you know, is socialized medicine that you say you want. If he had private ins. this might not have happened. This proves my point that death panels excist.[/quote]

The problem lies in the Medical community will not treat him with out getting paid. We have limited social program that does not cover him , just as he can not afford nor will an insurance company cover him now . The problem is broader than a LIMITED social program . The problem lies in a broken system

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?
[/quote]

You missed my point, you did not get the treatment , you will die , but you can quit sending them a premium , Yeah a Doctor is going to extend a 1/4 million credit to a homeless person .I do not think health care is a right but I think it should be
[/quote]

So you are actually in favor of govt healthcare, who should pay?[/quote]

Yes I am in favor of Socialized Medicine , I think the tax payer should pay, I think we could quit dominating the world militarily and cancel the war on drugs, with the money we save we could adequately finance Health Care and Education for all Residents and still balance the budget .

The for profit Health Care has all the costs that a Public Option would have and in addition it has to show a profit. That profit is called extra cost .
[/quote]

That kind of plan has been tried and always fails. Canada is trying to go to a private system, and there are stories of people dieing while on a waiting list for an appy. Why should I have to pay for others healthcare? The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. If you take profit incentive out by taxing higher, people will quit making so much money, then there are no more rich people to take the brunt of the tax.[/quote]

I think your theory is flawed , socialism as a Government is flawed. Just as Capitalism as a Government is flawed. I say take the best from all forms of government

here is a story about a person that will die because he has no health Insurance
http://www.kpho.com/news/25811486/detail.html[/quote]

This is the same story you posted before, and as I pointed out before, this guy is on medicaid. Medicaid, as I am sure you know, is socialized medicine that you say you want. If he had private ins. this might not have happened. This proves my point that death panels excist.[/quote]

The problem lies in the Medical community will not treat him with out getting paid. We have limited social program that does not cover him , just as he can not afford nor will an insurance company cover him now . The problem is broader than a LIMITED social program . The problem lies in a broken system
[/quote]

So “the system is broken” because there are only limited resources.

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This just in: Sarah Palin says some dumb shit. Also, water is hard to kick up a hill. More at 11.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Death panels exist now , the Insurance companies run them [/quote]

Maybe, but you can opt out of insurance now. When we get to a one payer system, which is all out govt run health care, we will have no choice.[/quote]

OK so you need a very expensive procedure , your Insurance company refuses to cover it , so you quit paying your premium , Who wins , I say the Insurance company[/quote]

If it saves your life, you win, whether you have to pay out of pocket or not. People theese days seem to think that health care is a right, and they are wrong. All you hear is I have this condition and i can’t get coverage. Stop whinning and work something out with the doc to pay monthly payments. Is there really that many cases where people get dropped by ins for no reason?
[/quote]

You missed my point, you did not get the treatment , you will die , but you can quit sending them a premium , Yeah a Doctor is going to extend a 1/4 million credit to a homeless person .I do not think health care is a right but I think it should be
[/quote]

So you are actually in favor of govt healthcare, who should pay?[/quote]

Yes I am in favor of Socialized Medicine , I think the tax payer should pay, I think we could quit dominating the world militarily and cancel the war on drugs, with the money we save we could adequately finance Health Care and Education for all Residents and still balance the budget .

The for profit Health Care has all the costs that a Public Option would have and in addition it has to show a profit. That profit is called extra cost .
[/quote]

That kind of plan has been tried and always fails. Canada is trying to go to a private system, and there are stories of people dieing while on a waiting list for an appy. Why should I have to pay for others healthcare? The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. If you take profit incentive out by taxing higher, people will quit making so much money, then there are no more rich people to take the brunt of the tax.[/quote]

I think your theory is flawed , socialism as a Government is flawed. Just as Capitalism as a Government is flawed. I say take the best from all forms of government

here is a story about a person that will die because he has no health Insurance
http://www.kpho.com/news/25811486/detail.html[/quote]

This is the same story you posted before, and as I pointed out before, this guy is on medicaid. Medicaid, as I am sure you know, is socialized medicine that you say you want. If he had private ins. this might not have happened. This proves my point that death panels excist.[/quote]

The problem lies in the Medical community will not treat him with out getting paid. We have limited social program that does not cover him , just as he can not afford nor will an insurance company cover him now . The problem is broader than a LIMITED social program . The problem lies in a broken system
[/quote]

Would you do your work without getting paid? of course not. I am sure if he does a little research he could probaly find a grant or something to help him out. As far as no getting covered by private ins now, most companies will cover you, but will not pay for pre excisting for the first year, and why should they woould you buy a car when you knew the motor and trannie would have to be replaced. I am curious how you know he cant get covered because the article said nothing about that, maybe he should have got ins when he could have.