Are Bodypart Splits Useless?

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
trextacy wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
trextacy wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
… personal trainers trying to sell shit…

The root of most of the evil in the fitness world.

and what are most of them recommending? complicated splits that require a spreadsheet to follow.

nothing simpler than a heavy, medium and light days centered around 3-4 big compound movements and some isolation and abs thrown in as desired. just progress by going up on the big lifts. switch’em up too. eat a lot.

sleep a lot. rinse. repeat. once you are too strong to do that effectively, split things up, but going beyond 3-ways is a waste of time.

i attempted to let this thread die by not posting for a few days, but of course those that pretend to “hate” these threads the most keep it going.

the faux revulsion that some of these split fanboys (see, that term can be used by anyone) express in reaction to the charge that splits are easier and lacking in focus on pure, old school compound movements is hysterical.

try doing something like what I outlined above like a pussy. sure, you may get a serious “burn” from your 20-set shoulders/arms day, but it just isn’t the same.

For example- i’m quite certain i’ve read prof x say he doesn’t do any of the following regularly or at all:

Any type of olympic lift.
Any type of clean
Any type of deadlift
Back Squats
Front Squats
Military press (barbell)
Bent over rows

I’m not sure about chest pressing movements-- my guess is that it’s primarily machines (I recall this from other threads, particularly the upper chest/lower chest discussions).

Please correct me if I’m wrong (but do so specifically, thanks).

So, we really have what is PRIMARILY a machine-based, “get a pump”, high volume M&F split. Whoopty friggin doo.

But, he still has the balls to demands people’s “Stats”. Excuse me for not giving a shit about your 12-rep max on chest supported Nautilus rowing.

Here is an article about a bodybuilder and his training(from last week):

Here is a similar article by the Editors of this site from earlier this year on a very similar topic:

But, please continue telling everyone that training full body is a joke and useless for someone training longer than 6 months.

I have made allowances in my stance by saying it varies person to person and splits have a clear advantage for advanced lifters, but there is no quarter given to anyone who suggests that full body is a legitimate even though the evidence is clear.

you are quite the dipshit. ANd have no idea what you’re talking about.

seriously, GTFO.

You are just the freshman trying to get in good with the seniors. Please try to address the issues or don’t post at all.

And the whole “GTFO” thing is getting old. This is a thread about splits vs. full body training. That is what it’s about. That’s what’s being discussed. If you don’t like that topic or reading what people on the other side of the debate are saying, then don’t click on the thread.

You’re dilusional. I’ve argued about something with just about everyone on this forum with 1k+ posts. I’m not trying to ‘get good’ with anyone. You’re just the dipshit who meanders the hallway thinking about girls (muscle mass), that he’ll never have.

I can make cute highschool references too.

Seriously you are a moron.

There is ZERO substance in this post. How do you not see this? You have not said anything on point or on topic. It’s not enough to just say I’m delusional- you have to explain why. That’s how his works.

And yes, you are a kiss ass…who sucks at metaphors; Hint: if you have to explain it in parentheses, probably not a good metaphor.

yet again.

you are quite the dipshit.[/quote]

Haha. You can’t put together a coherent thought.

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My $.02:

Prof X must be a bitch for preferring leg press to squatting [which isn’t even true]. You know who else is a bigger bitch? Six time Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates. What a joke these guys are.

But seriously, I think a lot of the problem of this discussion comes down to what the default training program is. If thousands of successful bodybuilders use splits, and maybe, maybe a dozen use TBT, why should people start with TBT?

Why not stick to the tried and true methods of those who came before, and if you turn out to be the true genetic freak who responds to TBT more than splits (which is doubtful it applies to anyone at all), then by all means go towards TBT.

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So… what we have learned?

1)EVERYONE must do some sort of clean,deadlift or olympic lift. Despite the fact that olympic lifts require years of proficiency to actually use weights to induce growth.

2)its IMPOSSIBLE to split your training and do compound lifts. Since they are so demanding, it makes only sense to group 4 or more of then in one session, and repeat this 3 times a week.

3)HUGE bodybuilders, pro or not, know nothing about growing muscle. Its all an illusion. or just blood trapped for years of pump training. In the moment they stop, all the blood transforms itself into fat, by the process of neofatsogenesis.

4)Its better to believe in authors who despise bodybuilding, than in the bodybuilders thenselves.

5)You cant gain strength unless you do some sort of olympic lift. with kettlebells. Not negotiable.

6)It is extremelly easy to use 4+ plates in HS press machines. In fact your average TBTer could use 8 or 12 plates each side, if he wanted.

7)If you feel like fainting or puking after some brutal session of back or legs, or for the sadistic even arms (because training isolated bodyparts can NEVER be hard,or productive, or right in the eyes of god) you WOULD PROBABLY DROP DEAD in a session of TBT. TBT is not for you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
kensai01 wrote:

Plus have you ever been to a regular gym; TONS of people do splits without ANY compounds.

Who gives a shit about what tons of clueless people do? They don’t represent “split training” so why even bring them up?

I hate even using the term “split training”. No one used to cut out certain exercises which is all some of you are recommending.

When I weighed 150lbs, I am VERY glad I did curls along with everything else. I feel sorry for the newbies being confronted with some of the crap in this thread.

Again, why is anyone who has not built a large amount of muscle mass typing anything in this thread?

Kensai, you weigh 176lbs at 5’11"…and you are debating what is optimal to gain large amounts of muscle mass.
[/quote]

Your pretty rude dude, what does my weight have to do with factual knowledge; perhaps my genetics ownt allow me to gain much more weight. It’s not the fact but being that I’m a soccer player, gymnast and rock climber most of my youth gaining large amounts of weight wasn’t my goal.

2 months ago I started training to gain size, went from 156(thats what I weigh in my avatar picture) to 178 (actually last night 181 all carbed up) So I’m not doing that bad as far as gaining large amounts of muscle mass is concerned.

None of my jeans fit right anymore, my legs are getting too thick lol!

Hopefully if I can keep slugging down 1/2 - 1 galon of milk per day along with my regular diet I’ll be up towards 200 lbs by the 6 month mark. Wish me luck!

Also; for your info if you really want a sick bicep peak / size train the iron cross and the planche. Both moves in their advanced stages have an insane amount of tension on the bicep. How do you think gymnast’s get huge biceps when they never do a curl in their life?

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[quote]kensai01 wrote:
Also; for your info if you really want a sick bicep peak / size train the iron cross and the planche. Both moves in their advanced stages have an insane amount of tension on the bicep. How do you think gymnast’s get huge biceps when they never do a curl in their life? [/quote]

Here are your super swole gymnasts with their amazing biceps (came up when doing, ah, research on Shawn Johnson for another thread…have to let this be known because that’s a pretty gay image).

Maybe their biceps appear developed when viewed on their 140-pound frame, but for a guy my size (230 lbs) I’ll want to stick with curls - and lots of them, thank you very much.

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wouldnt someone who’s made serious strength and size gains from tbt have to progressively warm up for their sets anyway? wheres the time saver in that…

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[quote]kensai01 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
kensai01 wrote:

Plus have you ever been to a regular gym; TONS of people do splits without ANY compounds.

Who gives a shit about what tons of clueless people do? They don’t represent “split training” so why even bring them up?

I hate even using the term “split training”. No one used to cut out certain exercises which is all some of you are recommending.

When I weighed 150lbs, I am VERY glad I did curls along with everything else. I feel sorry for the newbies being confronted with some of the crap in this thread.

Again, why is anyone who has not built a large amount of muscle mass typing anything in this thread?

Kensai, you weigh 176lbs at 5’11"…and you are debating what is optimal to gain large amounts of muscle mass.

Your pretty rude dude, what does my weight have to do with factual knowledge; perhaps my genetics ownt allow me to gain much more weight. It’s not the fact but being that I’m a soccer player, gymnast and rock climber most of my youth gaining large amounts of weight wasn’t my goal.

2 months ago I started training to gain size, went from 156(thats what I weigh in my avatar picture) to 178 (actually last night 181 all carbed up) So I’m not doing that bad as far as gaining large amounts of muscle mass is concerned.

None of my jeans fit right anymore, my legs are getting too thick lol!

Hopefully if I can keep slugging down 1/2 - 1 galon of milk per day along with my regular diet I’ll be up towards 200 lbs by the 6 month mark. Wish me luck!

Also; for your info if you really want a sick bicep peak / size train the iron cross and the planche. Both moves in their advanced stages have an insane amount of tension on the bicep. How do you think gymnast’s get huge biceps when they never do a curl in their life? [/quote]

fella I am not bashing you but you have stated on multiple threads that you are a novice lifter.

Don’t you think it might be best if you ask questions and learn before coming in and asserting the best way to do things?

Folks around here know about isometrics and probably a lot of us do a pause in our lift (depending on the lift) at the point of greatest effort to maximize the intensity of our lift

good for you for jumping in with both feet but if you are a novice I am sure there are things you can learn

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
kensai01 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
kensai01 wrote:

Plus have you ever been to a regular gym; TONS of people do splits without ANY compounds.

Who gives a shit about what tons of clueless people do? They don’t represent “split training” so why even bring them up?

I hate even using the term “split training”. No one used to cut out certain exercises which is all some of you are recommending.

When I weighed 150lbs, I am VERY glad I did curls along with everything else. I feel sorry for the newbies being confronted with some of the crap in this thread.

Again, why is anyone who has not built a large amount of muscle mass typing anything in this thread?

Kensai, you weigh 176lbs at 5’11"…and you are debating what is optimal to gain large amounts of muscle mass.

Your pretty rude dude, what does my weight have to do with factual knowledge; perhaps my genetics ownt allow me to gain much more weight. It’s not the fact but being that I’m a soccer player, gymnast and rock climber most of my youth gaining large amounts of weight wasn’t my goal.

2 months ago I started training to gain size, went from 156(thats what I weigh in my avatar picture) to 178 (actually last night 181 all carbed up) So I’m not doing that bad as far as gaining large amounts of muscle mass is concerned.

None of my jeans fit right anymore, my legs are getting too thick lol!

Hopefully if I can keep slugging down 1/2 - 1 galon of milk per day along with my regular diet I’ll be up towards 200 lbs by the 6 month mark. Wish me luck!

Also; for your info if you really want a sick bicep peak / size train the iron cross and the planche. Both moves in their advanced stages have an insane amount of tension on the bicep. How do you think gymnast’s get huge biceps when they never do a curl in their life?

fella I am not bashing you but you have stated on multiple threads that you are a novice lifter.

Don’t you think it might be best if you ask questions and learn before coming in and asserting the best way to do things?

Folks around here know about isometrics and probably a lot of us do a pause in our lift (depending on the lift) at the point of greatest effort to maximize the intensity of our lift

good for you for jumping in with both feet but if you are a novice I am sure there are things you can learn[/quote]

No offense taken; however, although I am a novice weight lifter, I still know quite a bit about rings and gymnastics. Isometrics by pausing weight in certain lifts isn’t the same type of tension that rings provide.

Although I don’t say this to start an argument or anything. And I’n not claiming one is better than the other.

I believe that rings can be a very usefull tool to even a weight lifter / bodybuilder. The amount of stress placed on joints in straight arm movements is intense; training this progressively would strenghten ones joints. Perhaps to bust through a platoe. Another benefit is that the rings really tax your grip, a LOT; a good way to say goodbye to straps.

I think one should utilize a wider variety of tools and shouldn’t limit oneself to a stereotype of training.

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[quote]trextacy wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
trextacy wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
trextacy wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
… personal trainers trying to sell shit…

The root of most of the evil in the fitness world.

and what are most of them recommending? complicated splits that require a spreadsheet to follow.

nothing simpler than a heavy, medium and light days centered around 3-4 big compound movements and some isolation and abs thrown in as desired. just progress by going up on the big lifts. switch’em up too. eat a lot.

sleep a lot. rinse. repeat. once you are too strong to do that effectively, split things up, but going beyond 3-ways is a waste of time.

i attempted to let this thread die by not posting for a few days, but of course those that pretend to “hate” these threads the most keep it going.

the faux revulsion that some of these split fanboys (see, that term can be used by anyone) express in reaction to the charge that splits are easier and lacking in focus on pure, old school compound movements is hysterical.

try doing something like what I outlined above like a pussy. sure, you may get a serious “burn” from your 20-set shoulders/arms day, but it just isn’t the same.

For example- i’m quite certain i’ve read prof x say he doesn’t do any of the following regularly or at all:

Any type of olympic lift.
Any type of clean
Any type of deadlift
Back Squats
Front Squats
Military press (barbell)
Bent over rows

I’m not sure about chest pressing movements-- my guess is that it’s primarily machines (I recall this from other threads, particularly the upper chest/lower chest discussions).

Please correct me if I’m wrong (but do so specifically, thanks).

So, we really have what is PRIMARILY a machine-based, “get a pump”, high volume M&F split. Whoopty friggin doo.

But, he still has the balls to demands people’s “Stats”. Excuse me for not giving a shit about your 12-rep max on chest supported Nautilus rowing.

Here is an article about a bodybuilder and his training(from last week):

Here is a similar article by the Editors of this site from earlier this year on a very similar topic:

But, please continue telling everyone that training full body is a joke and useless for someone training longer than 6 months.

I have made allowances in my stance by saying it varies person to person and splits have a clear advantage for advanced lifters, but there is no quarter given to anyone who suggests that full body is a legitimate even though the evidence is clear.

you are quite the dipshit. ANd have no idea what you’re talking about.

seriously, GTFO.

You are just the freshman trying to get in good with the seniors. Please try to address the issues or don’t post at all.

And the whole “GTFO” thing is getting old. This is a thread about splits vs. full body training. That is what it’s about. That’s what’s being discussed. If you don’t like that topic or reading what people on the other side of the debate are saying, then don’t click on the thread.

You’re dilusional. I’ve argued about something with just about everyone on this forum with 1k+ posts. I’m not trying to ‘get good’ with anyone. You’re just the dipshit who meanders the hallway thinking about girls (muscle mass), that he’ll never have.

I can make cute highschool references too.

Seriously you are a moron.

There is ZERO substance in this post. How do you not see this? You have not said anything on point or on topic. It’s not enough to just say I’m delusional- you have to explain why. That’s how his works.

And yes, you are a kiss ass…who sucks at metaphors; Hint: if you have to explain it in parentheses, probably not a good metaphor.

yet again.

you are quite the dipshit.

Haha. You can’t put together a coherent thought.[/quote]

dude no one here gives a shit about what you’re saying. You have no arguement and all you’ve done was tell me I’m kissing people’s asses. Which pretty clearly, I am not.

You really are, quite the dipshit.

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My brain hurts from all this trollin’

Make it stop.

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Trextacy re. Professor X:

[quote]trextacy wrote:
i believe he’s currently above 12%…so, what’s the big deal?
[/quote]

lol?

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[quote]Brown_Lifter wrote:
wouldnt someone who’s made serious strength and size gains from tbt have to progressively warm up for their sets anyway? wheres the time saver in that…[/quote]

Well, look at it like that:
99 percent of all tbt trainees never gain any serious strength and size, so they don’t have to worry about that :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: (yes, I’m kidding… well, sort of…)

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[quote]irongutted wrote:
So… what we have learned?

1)EVERYONE must do some sort of clean,deadlift or olympic lift. Despite the fact that olympic lifts require years of proficiency to actually use weights to induce growth.

2)its IMPOSSIBLE to split your training and do compound lifts. Since they are so demanding, it makes only sense to group 4 or more of then in one session, and repeat this 3 times a week.

3)HUGE bodybuilders, pro or not, know nothing about growing muscle. Its all an illusion. or just blood trapped for years of pump training. In the moment they stop, all the blood transforms itself into fat, by the process of neofatsogenesis. [/quote] ← is that a reference to evangelion, or is it just me being delusional? [quote]

4)Its better to believe in authors who despise bodybuilding, than in the bodybuilders thenselves.

5)You cant gain strength unless you do some sort of olympic lift. with kettlebells. Not negotiable.

6)It is extremelly easy to use 4+ plates in HS press machines. In fact your average TBTer could use 8 or 12 plates each side, if he wanted.

7)If you feel like fainting or puking after some brutal session of back or legs, or for the sadistic even arms (because training isolated bodyparts can NEVER be hard,or productive, or right in the eyes of god) you WOULD PROBABLY DROP DEAD in a session of TBT. TBT is not for you. [/quote]

Sums it up pretty well, doesn’t it.
Onwards to mediocrity !

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
My brain hurts from all this trollin’

Make it stop.[/quote]

Agreed.

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I think a lot of people are confusing Bodypart Splits with Splits. Splits still means Upper/Lower, and I think a lot of people that stand by TBT also stand by Upper/Lower.
I know I do, TBT laid my strength foundation, but an Upper/Lower split was the first thing that ever actually added noticable size to my legs/traps.

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What’s the difference between a body part split and a split to you?

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
What’s the difference between a body part split and a split to you?

[/quote]

LOL.

I have come to the conclusion that most of these guys don’t even understand what “split” means in the first place. They have been told it means light weights and only isolation exercises. I haven’t figured out yet how they can ignore that the biggest guys didn’t avoid squats.

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I missed this entire thread. Should I be happy or sad about that?

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I missed this entire thread. Should I be happy or sad about that?[/quote]

If you read it, your IQ will take a critical hit in the nuts…

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[quote]monatu wrote:
I think a lot of people are confusing Bodypart Splits with Splits. Splits still means Upper/Lower, and I think a lot of people that stand by TBT also stand by Upper/Lower.
[/quote]

I think you may be a little confused.