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Apology from Britain

Before Sifu points it out, I feel the need to draw attention to this piece of nonsense:

We’re very sorry: Ms Harman, despite being the deputy leader of her party, clearly has not grasped the importance of the First Amendment. Having done their best to shut down free speech in Britain, her party seems intent on imposing the New Labour world order on everyone else.

Please be assured that the rest of us are really rather keen on free speech, and hope that you continue your vigorous embrace of it.

[Aside: Of course, this is free publicity that www.punternet.com can only dream of. Harman tries to cloud the issue by talking of people trafficking and enforced sex slavery. That is of course abhorrent. If she brought the whole thing onto a fully legal basis, with health checks, taxation, even employer liability insurance for pimps, then the fully consenting whores would be easily distinguished from the exploited, and the scum who prey on the latter would have few customers left. I imagine. I mean, I have no direct experience…]

You think she knows that Captain69, the biggest European site is British?

She’s just pissed because someone gave her a bad review.

[quote]archiewhittaker wrote:
She’s just pissed because someone gave her a bad review.[/quote]

Looks 2/Performance 0?

[quote]archiewhittaker wrote:
She’s just pissed because someone gave her a bad review.[/quote]

LOL

I hate that bitch. However you are missing the big picture here. She knows that her protest won’t go anywhere and she doesn’t care. With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it. Here is how it works in this case.

First she makes a bunch of moralistis statements about an absolute nobody www.punter.com and how they are degrading women, blah,blah blah, degradating women, blah blah blah. That sets the stage for her to follow up with another set of moralistic remarks about the degradation of women and use them in an attack on her real target. This is the important part of her speech.

During the debate on citizenship and equalities, Miss Harman also attacked The Sun newspaper, which has just switched its support from Labour to the Conservatives, for featuring topless models on its Page 3 feature â?? and called on delegates to â??bite backâ?? and win the next election.

She said: â??I am speaking to you this morning about something The Sun knows absolutely nothing about: equality.

"The nearest their political analysis gets to women’s rights is Page 3’s News in Briefs.

"We are all angry about The Sun this morning but I say to you: don’t get bitter, get better.

“Don’t get outraged, get out there. Don’t get mad, get mobilised. Yes, we may be the underdog but we will not be bullied. This underdog is biting back.”

After you read her remarks now read this and you will what I mean about her having a hidden agendas.

Our website and text service was swamped by readers backing our decision to dump PM Gordon Brown and support David Cameron’s Conservatives instead.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2661063/The-Sun-Says-Labours-lost-it.html

The Sun Says: Labourâ??s lost it

TWELVE years ago, Britain was crying out for change from a divided, exhausted Government. Today we are there again.
In 1997, “New” Labour, shorn of its destructive hard-Left doctrines and with an energetic and charismatic leader, seemed the answer.

Tony Blair said things could only get better, and few doubted him. But did they get better? Well, you could point to investment in schools and shorter hospital waiting lists and say yes, some things did - a little.

But the real story of the Labour years is one of under-achievement, rank failure and a vast expansion of wasteful government interference in everyone’s lives.

Britain feels broken . . . and the Government is out of excuses.

Blair took office with bulging coffers, an invincible majority and weak opposition, and he and Gordon Brown could have worked miracles.

But they FAILED on law and order, their mantra “tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime” becoming a national joke. Knife murders are soaring. Smirking criminals routinely walk free in the name of political correctness, while decent people live in a virtual police state of snooping cameras and petty officials empowered to spy and to punish.

Labour FAILED on schools. Yes, facilities improved - but four in 10 kids leave those shiny classrooms still unable to read, write or add up properly. We are plummeting down international league tables for maths and literacy, but every year “grade inflation” ensures record GCSE and A-level passes to fuel Government propaganda.

Labour FAILED on health - spending billions on clipboard-ticking target managers instead of on frontline care.

Labour FAILED on immigration, opening our borders without any regard to the consequences. Illegal migrants and bogus asylum seekers poured in

Labour FAILED the children they claimed to have made their priority. After 12 years of Blair and Brown, Britain is officially the WORST country in the developed world in which to grow up.

Most disgracefully of all, Labour FAILED our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving them to die through chronic under-funding and the shambolic leadership of dismal Defence Secretaries like Bob Ainsworth.

As our forces in two war zones suffered, the scale of Government waste at home was mind-boggling and tragic:

Billions blown employing a useless layer of public service middle-managers like those who condemned Baby P to die.

Billions more spent, insanely, making benefits more lucrative than a pay cheque - creating a huge, idle underclass for whom work is a dirty word. And all along the Government has had one overriding concern: Itself.

Blair and Brown’s puerile feud has long been a cancer at the heart of New Labour, their divisions often paralysing the country.

Labour’s driving ambition has not been to improve Britain. It has been to retain power at all costs - with no lie judged too great in its ruthless and relentless self-promotion.

They promised a referendum on Europe. They claimed they had ended “boom and bust”. They tried to con the public with promises of endless investment, when they knew they would have to cut.

At the 2005 election, we and our readers believed Labour had many failings but gave them one last chance over a lacklustre Tory party.

They have had that chance and failed.

That is a fact Gordon Brown cannot escape, for all his rhetoric yesterday - his rewriting of history, his absurd caricature of the “heartless” Tories, his tired promises to solve problems he has had 12 years to solve.

Britain needs a brave and wise Government to restore our self-respect, our natural entrepreneurship and the will of every family to improve its lot through its own efforts, without depending on handouts.

We need a Government that will cut the red tape strangling businesses, that will make affordable tax cuts to stimulate growth, that will reform wasteful public services.

We need a Government with a genuine will to win the war in Afghanistan and the commitment to give our forces whatever they need to do it.

This will not be a Government that merely talks the talk, as Labour has. It will ACT.

We hope, and pray, that the next Government will have the guts and the determination to do these things. And we believe David Cameron should lead it.

Between now and the election Cameron’s Conservatives must earn voters’ trust by setting out their promising policies in detail.

If elected, Cameron must use the same energy and determination with which he reinvigorated the Tory Party to breathe new life into Britain.

That means genuine, radical change to encourage self-improvers, not wasting time on internal party wrangling or pandering to the forces of political correctness. It also means an honesty and transparency of Government that we have not seen for years.

We are still a great people and, put to the test, will respond to the challenges we face.

The Sun believes - and prays - that the Conservative leadership can put the great back into Great Britain.

There you have it gentlemen. I could not have said it substantially better myself! Now we all know that Cock his usual winge like a little bitch that none of this is true, nobody in Britain thinks this way that it’s only me, because I don’t know anything about Britain. However I think this is an accurate reflection of the mood of the country and Labour are going to have their asses handed to them at the general election. I also predict that general election may very well be the beginning of the end of Labour as major political party.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it.[/quote]

Hey Captain Dick Tuck, this is where you are hiding!

So in the UK politicians are corrupt and whereas in the rest of the world politicians are fine upstanding straightforward people who never have a hidden agenda.

Of course the comments were an attempt to have a dig at the Current Bun, anyone with half a brain could see that.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it.

Hey Captain Dick Tuck, this is where you are hiding!

So in the UK politicians are corrupt and whereas in the rest of the world politicians are fine upstanding straightforward people who never have a hidden agenda.

Of course the comments were an attempt to have a dig at the Current Bun, anyone with half a brain could see that.[/quote]

British politicians are aided and abetted by the fact that the British electorate is particularly gullible and way too trusting of politicians.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it.

Hey Captain Dick Tuck, this is where you are hiding!

So in the UK politicians are corrupt and whereas in the rest of the world politicians are fine upstanding straightforward people who never have a hidden agenda.

Of course the comments were an attempt to have a dig at the Current Bun, anyone with half a brain could see that.

British politicians are aided and abetted by the fact that the British electorate is particularly gullible and way too trusting of politicians. [/quote]

Whereas in the rest of the world…

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it.

Hey Captain Dick Tuck, this is where you are hiding!

So in the UK politicians are corrupt and whereas in the rest of the world politicians are fine upstanding straightforward people who never have a hidden agenda.

Of course the comments were an attempt to have a dig at the Current Bun, anyone with half a brain could see that.

British politicians are aided and abetted by the fact that the British electorate is particularly gullible and way too trusting of politicians.

Whereas in the rest of the world…[/quote]

Well in the US people are raised up from childhood to have a distrust of government. That is why we have the second amendment. Something which Brits like you take great pleasure in disparaging. In Britain you have no choice but to trust Gordon Brown with your freedom and think it’s wonderful.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it.

Hey Captain Dick Tuck, this is where you are hiding!

So in the UK politicians are corrupt and whereas in the rest of the world politicians are fine upstanding straightforward people who never have a hidden agenda.

Of course the comments were an attempt to have a dig at the Current Bun, anyone with half a brain could see that.

British politicians are aided and abetted by the fact that the British electorate is particularly gullible and way too trusting of politicians.

Whereas in the rest of the world…

Well in the US people are raised up from childhood to have a distrust of government. That is why we have the second amendment. Something which Brits like you take great pleasure in disparaging. In Britain you have no choice but to trust Gordon Brown with your freedom and think it’s wonderful.[/quote]

Utter bullshit and you know it.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it.

Hey Captain Dick Tuck, this is where you are hiding!

So in the UK politicians are corrupt and whereas in the rest of the world politicians are fine upstanding straightforward people who never have a hidden agenda.

Of course the comments were an attempt to have a dig at the Current Bun, anyone with half a brain could see that.

British politicians are aided and abetted by the fact that the British electorate is particularly gullible and way too trusting of politicians.

Whereas in the rest of the world…

Well in the US people are raised up from childhood to have a distrust of government. That is why we have the second amendment. Something which Brits like you take great pleasure in disparaging. In Britain you have no choice but to trust Gordon Brown with your freedom and think it’s wonderful.

Utter bullshit and you know it.[/quote]

The truth hurts sdoesn’t it. The British give their full faith and trust to the like of Bliar and Brown and think it is wonderful. But then they act like Americans are insane idiots for thinking they need to have assault rifles to keep the likes of Clinton, Bush or Obama in line.

I think it is most telling about the British mentality. Especially given how much George Bush is hated over there. The Brits would curse him up and down as a murderer who faked 9/11 but then in the same breath they will trash the Yanks for keeping firearms so they could rebel against him if he got really out of control.

No one cares about Arnold anymore, he ruined California with his pussified stance as a Republican. He should have resigned by now, at least save some kind of face.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it.

Hey Captain Dick Tuck, this is where you are hiding!

So in the UK politicians are corrupt and whereas in the rest of the world politicians are fine upstanding straightforward people who never have a hidden agenda.

Of course the comments were an attempt to have a dig at the Current Bun, anyone with half a brain could see that.

British politicians are aided and abetted by the fact that the British electorate is particularly gullible and way too trusting of politicians.

Whereas in the rest of the world…

Well in the US people are raised up from childhood to have a distrust of government. That is why we have the second amendment. Something which Brits like you take great pleasure in disparaging. In Britain you have no choice but to trust Gordon Brown with your freedom and think it’s wonderful.

Utter bullshit and you know it.

The truth hurts sdoesn’t it. The British give their full faith and trust to the like of Bliar and Brown and think it is wonderful. But then they act like Americans are insane idiots for thinking they need to have assault rifles to keep the likes of Clinton, Bush or Obama in line.

I think it is most telling about the British mentality. Especially given how much George Bush is hated over there. The Brits would curse him up and down as a murderer who faked 9/11 but then in the same breath they will trash the Yanks for keeping firearms so they could rebel against him if he got really out of control. [/quote]

I am with Billy Connolly on this one. The desire to be a politician should preclude you from running for office. The world over politician is a byword for sleaze. With all of the scandal that has come out in the UK over the last 20-30 years I doubt there is a single person left that trusts any of them.

And for you to claim that Britain doesn’t question our politicians given that it was a national scandal that someone said ‘you lie’ to the US president is a joke. The US president is seen as being some hugely important god like figure. The British Prime Minister is a senior civil servant nothing more.

Unfortunately this has started to change over the last few years as British Politics borrowed ideas from the US and 24 hrs news coverage developed a need to fill the news cycle.

LOL. The expected outcome: PunterNet’s traffic more than doubles. Thanks Hatty.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it.

Hey Captain Dick Tuck, this is where you are hiding!

So in the UK politicians are corrupt and whereas in the rest of the world politicians are fine upstanding straightforward people who never have a hidden agenda.

Of course the comments were an attempt to have a dig at the Current Bun, anyone with half a brain could see that.

British politicians are aided and abetted by the fact that the British electorate is particularly gullible and way too trusting of politicians.

Whereas in the rest of the world…

Well in the US people are raised up from childhood to have a distrust of government. That is why we have the second amendment. Something which Brits like you take great pleasure in disparaging. In Britain you have no choice but to trust Gordon Brown with your freedom and think it’s wonderful.

Utter bullshit and you know it.

The truth hurts sdoesn’t it. The British give their full faith and trust to the like of Bliar and Brown and think it is wonderful. But then they act like Americans are insane idiots for thinking they need to have assault rifles to keep the likes of Clinton, Bush or Obama in line.

I think it is most telling about the British mentality. Especially given how much George Bush is hated over there. The Brits would curse him up and down as a murderer who faked 9/11 but then in the same breath they will trash the Yanks for keeping firearms so they could rebel against him if he got really out of control.

I am with Billy Connolly on this one. The desire to be a politician should preclude you from running for office. The world over politician is a byword for sleaze. With all of the scandal that has come out in the UK over the last 20-30 years I doubt there is a single person left that trusts any of them.

And for you to claim that Britain doesn’t question our politicians given that it was a national scandal that someone said ‘you lie’ to the US president is a joke. The US president is seen as being some hugely important god like figure. The British Prime Minister is a senior civil servant nothing more.

Unfortunately this has started to change over the last few years as British Politics borrowed ideas from the US and 24 hrs news coverage developed a need to fill the news cycle.[/quote]

If only the Prime minister still was… Blair changed that though.

[quote]lou21 wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
With British politicians you can’t take anything they say at face value, they almost always have a hidden agenda and use disinformation, this is a classic example of it.

Hey Captain Dick Tuck, this is where you are hiding!

So in the UK politicians are corrupt and whereas in the rest of the world politicians are fine upstanding straightforward people who never have a hidden agenda.

Of course the comments were an attempt to have a dig at the Current Bun, anyone with half a brain could see that.

British politicians are aided and abetted by the fact that the British electorate is particularly gullible and way too trusting of politicians.

Whereas in the rest of the world…

Well in the US people are raised up from childhood to have a distrust of government. That is why we have the second amendment. Something which Brits like you take great pleasure in disparaging. In Britain you have no choice but to trust Gordon Brown with your freedom and think it’s wonderful.

Utter bullshit and you know it.

The truth hurts sdoesn’t it. The British give their full faith and trust to the like of Bliar and Brown and think it is wonderful. But then they act like Americans are insane idiots for thinking they need to have assault rifles to keep the likes of Clinton, Bush or Obama in line.

I think it is most telling about the British mentality. Especially given how much George Bush is hated over there. The Brits would curse him up and down as a murderer who faked 9/11 but then in the same breath they will trash the Yanks for keeping firearms so they could rebel against him if he got really out of control.

I am with Billy Connolly on this one. The desire to be a politician should preclude you from running for office. The world over politician is a byword for sleaze. With all of the scandal that has come out in the UK over the last 20-30 years I doubt there is a single person left that trusts any of them.

And for you to claim that Britain doesn’t question our politicians given that it was a national scandal that someone said ‘you lie’ to the US president is a joke. The US president is seen as being some hugely important god like figure. The British Prime Minister is a senior civil servant nothing more.

Unfortunately this has started to change over the last few years as British Politics borrowed ideas from the US and 24 hrs news coverage developed a need to fill the news cycle.

If only the Prime minister still was… Blair changed that though.[/quote]

I think that it was coming regardless of who came to power but Blair and his bunch certainly embraced it.