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Anyone Tried Kava?

I am going to try it out and was wondering if anyone had experiences with it. Good sources, good methods etc…

V

I tried it last year in Fiji. Tasted like shit and just gave me numb lips. Maybe I’m already mellow enough for the most part but I didn’t really see any positives.

Hmm, That sucks, I read a lot on it and heard some respond well and some not much. I did notice people who responed the most were often taking several doses of it in a row. Maybe you just needed more to get the cool effects?

V

I don’t know me and my girl drank several rounds to try and get a “cool effect” and we were both relatively disappointed although she did put the numb lips to use so I guess it worked out. :]

[quote]storey420 wrote:
I don’t know me and my girl drank several rounds to try and get a “cool effect” and we were both relatively disappointed although she did put the numb lips to use so I guess it worked out. :][/quote]

Haha Yea thats kinda what I’m after, Wife and I had some really good sex after we took a couple vicoden a few months ago. We are pretty sick of the alcohol route as it’s inconsistant and you get bloated and it’s probably only a good time 1 out of 5 times. The rest either end up with one of us getting too drunk or passing out or something. The vico was good, lasted a few hours and was just a nice body buzz to go along with the sex. Hears kava could in some instances have similar effects. Well it appears cheap, so I may order some anyways to try it out.

V

I once tried quite a lot of it – forget how much, but several times the usual dose – and got an effect sort of like that of several beers.

It would not be a good thing to do often with commercially available kava. While I suppose it is probably possible to process it in a way that gives no liver toxicity, as it does appear that the use by Pacific islanders is non-toxic, at least some commercial preparations and perhaps all have some mild liver toxicity.

my mom and her side of the family is from hawaii. tried it while i was there. first time just yakked around and made retarded faces. 2nd time was a lot more enjoyable even the point of recomending it.

i’d try it. at least two/three times before you make a final decision.

IMO it’s more of a social thing. ppl shooting it and sucking on starbursts and hanging out.

What effect do you want to achieve?

I’ve tried various adaptogens including hops, passionflower, ginseng, reishi mushroom, ashwagandha, and burdock. I avoided kava due to the liver damage, well they occur at 20x the normal dosage, but I have a liver condition so I’m not taking that risk. Let me know what your main goal is and I might be able to recommend one.

–Mond

I’ve used an extract(40% I think it was)… small amount mixed into chamomile tea… very nice and relaxing

[quote]Mondy wrote:
What effect do you want to achieve?

I’ve tried various adaptogens including hops, passionflower, ginseng, reishi mushroom, ashwagandha, and burdock. I avoided kava due to the liver damage, well they occur at 20x the normal dosage, but I have a liver condition so I’m not taking that risk. Let me know what your main goal is and I might be able to recommend one.

–Mond[/quote]

I just want something to heighten the sensation of physical contact. Slight innebriation is also a positive side effect I would be ok with. Vicodin did both of these for us the time we took it, it was a great 4 hours of sexual debauchery. I read some reviews on kava stating a vicodin like experience so I thought it would be worth a try. Even if I have to drink a couple glasses of wine or do a few shots of vodka with it whatever. I just hate getting plowed chasing that all elusive perfect alcohol buzz.

V

I’m interested if anybody has put the extract in pills and can recommend a dosage. Its something I have on my list of things to try. I’m honestly surprised it hasn’t gone the way of salvia and a lot of the herbals and made illegal.

Sex on painkillers? Booze is alright because you can last awhile and inhibitions are lessened, but I had some percocets one time and I might as well have got a novacaine shot in my weiner because I couldn’t feel a thing.

I would recommend you to try hops. In fact google smoking and hops, it seems like hops is somehow related to marijuana. But without the detrimental short term memory effects.

On a totally unrelated note, I’ve been experimenting with piracetam/DMAE/vinpocetine lately and after a couple weeks of continuous usage, my sensation of hearing and sight(lights glow) have been heightened. Cant definitively say that my physical sensations have been though. Just an interesting thought.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
I am going to try it out and was wondering if anyone had experiences with it. Good sources, good methods etc…

V[/quote]

Good methods are taking the root/powder and when soacking in water use less water to soak it in and the stronger it will be. Back in Fiji with my family ( I’m fijian ) its a social thing at like gatherings and family nights there’d be one little bowl and one huge bowl thats filled with kava, we’d dip the little bowl into the big one and you must drink it all in one go, and before drinking it clap 3 times, thats just the traditional way, makes it more fun. If you actually visit fiji which I’d highly reccomand and go to the shows they have like showing warrior’s and how the battles all the clubs and whatnot you can actually sit down with chiefs and drink kava. I hope I helped a little bit, most of my info is from family that lives in fiji , my parents were born their, if there any more questions I can ask them.

You won’t really feel much drinking this stuff, it taste like mud, My sisters had 9 bowls in one night and nothing really happened , numb tounge and some other senses. It could be since we grew up drinking and around this at a very young age and runs through generations.

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Mondy wrote:
What effect do you want to achieve?

I’ve tried various adaptogens including hops, passionflower, ginseng, reishi mushroom, ashwagandha, and burdock. I avoided kava due to the liver damage, well they occur at 20x the normal dosage, but I have a liver condition so I’m not taking that risk. Let me know what your main goal is and I might be able to recommend one.

–Mond[/quote]

I just want something to heighten the sensation of physical contact. Slight innebriation is also a positive side effect I would be ok with. Vicodin did both of these for us the time we took it, it was a great 4 hours of sexual debauchery. I read some reviews on kava stating a vicodin like experience so I thought it would be worth a try. Even if I have to drink a couple glasses of wine or do a few shots of vodka with it whatever. I just hate getting plowed chasing that all elusive perfect alcohol buzz.

V[/quote]

The kavalactones exhibit their primary effects through GABA receptors. Ethanol also effects GABA receptors, but also has effects on NMDA, glutamate receptors, and putative effects on other receptors such as specific serotonin types (may be one of the reasons for nausea) and dopamine. The fact that ethanol’s effects are mediated by so many different receptor types also explains why it is so incredibly addictive. My point being that the kava will exacerbate one particular aspect of the “alcohol” experience; namely depressive GABA actions.

Additionally, kava has reversible MAOI properties (particularly the compounds desmethoxyyangonin and methysticin.) What might be more interesting for your purposes would be to take advantage of the MAOI capabilities (coincidentally I have all of the pharmacological data on kava in a notebook I took home last weekend.) For sexual debauchery purposes, mixing kava with yohimbine should have synergistic inhibition of MAO (I didn’t feel like looking this up to be certain but it makes sense.)

Yohimbine also effects smooth muscle, of course, resulting in better erections and stronger uterine contractions (I am so damn clinical sometimes.) Anyways…combining the reversible MAOI’s with an actual monoamine or monoamine releaser/reuptake inhibitor is pleasant to euphoric depending on dose. And, not very dangerous considering the short half-lives of kava’s and yohimbine’s MAOI’s (much safer than alcohol at any rate.) I like PEA (phenylethylamine) because it comes on with a nice rush and tapers off gradually. Additionally, PEA is relatively non-toxic and easily metabolized by the body. There are other combinations that are more euphoric and more dangerous, but I don’t want to suggest anything to you that might result in addiction or health problems.

One more thing…I would take the concentrated, full-spectrum Kava paste and yohimbine approximately fifteen minutes prior to the desired MAOI effect.

Used it before via an extract. Taste kinda funky, but it has a nice calming affect. It’s like being chill after a few beers but you’ve still got all your senses together. I enjoyed it.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
I just want something to heighten the sensation of physical contact. Slight innebriation is also a positive side effect I would be ok with.

V[/quote]

Um, you need to smoke marijuana.

Does exactly above for me.

It takes some getting used to.

I would imagine it would go well with Rhodiola Rosea.