Anyone Seen The Movie 'Money Masters'?

I searched before posting this and didn’t find a previous post. It’s called The Money Masters. It basically gives evidence of why wars have been fought, depressions have been started, and how we are still enslaved to debt. There are two parts of the video totaling 3 1/2 hours. If you can’t keep your tin hat that long try and watch the first 20 minutes of part one and the last 20 minutes of part two and you will get the main points.

I would like somebody to discredit this film and provide another point of view. If this video is indeed true and we can become a debt free nation, stop depressions, and pay less taxes then we need to act now.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6076118677860424204#

You should check out Money as Debt as well. It’s a lot more briefer than this one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544#

I watched it a while ago, it does contain some good info but much of it seems like fodder for the Alex Jones crowd. They like to post stuff like: “Watch this movie and WAKE UP AMERICA! END THE FED!” as if they are smarter than the “average sheeple” that they claim to despise so much.

A lot of information in this movie is widely known information anyways, so I don’t really see what the big deal is. Take a course in public finance and banking and you pretty much have most of this movie down, and it’s not like this movie is shedding light on some secret cabal of a few sinister men (and “teh jooz”) that control the world, since such a cabal doesn’t exist anyways; that always seems like the narrative for any Alex Jones type conspiracy theorist.

And central banking isn’t something peculiar to the U.S. I honestly can’t think of one country in the world that doesn’t have a central banking system that mimics the Federal Reserve. If central baking was such an evil, why is the Federal Reserve the model central bank of the world?

There really isn’t anything to discredit in this movie, since much of it is widely known public information. It seems like the only people that are clueless to this subject are the ones posting crazy conspiracy theories on the internet, maybe it’s those people that need to “wake up sheeple”.

and it’s not like this movie is shedding light on some secret cabal of a few sinister men (and “teh jooz”) that control the world, since such a cabal doesn’t exist anyways; that always seems like the narrative for any Alex Jones type conspiracy theorist.
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This would be discrediting the movie since it centers around this main point.
Also, I took accounting in college and it never really discussed fractional reserve banking and the benefits or problems associated with it.

I’m not arguing with you because I simply don’t know enough about economics (although I took econ in college as well), but I don’t see how depressions just happen. It seems like a 800 billion dollar bailout is exactly what the fed reserve would want.

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.”

  • Thomas Jefferson

[quote]John S. wrote:
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.”

  • Thomas Jefferson
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One of many quotes from this movie. The first presidents, B Franklin, and many other fathers of this nation are quoted protesting central banking. Lincoln’s greenbacks was a perfect system apparently, but nobody makes money off of that so it was dismantled by the powers that be.

Unlike many countries, Guernsey has not delegated money-creation to the central bank and has instead issued interest-free money from 1822 to 1836, stimulating the growth of economy after Napoleon’s wars without creating public debt and without increasing taxes. There is evidence that introducing fiat money (either via a central bank or without one) “stimulates the growth of the economy”[citation needed] in the long term. Also gold and silver coin remained money in Guernsey in the period 1822 to 1836 - and indeed long after. -Wikipedia

[quote]John S. wrote:
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.”

  • Thomas Jefferson

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hm it sounds like something a socialist could have said :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
and it’s not like this movie is shedding light on some secret cabal of a few sinister men (and “teh jooz”) that control the world, since such a cabal doesn’t exist anyways; that always seems like the narrative for any Alex Jones type conspiracy theorist.
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This would be discrediting the movie since it centers around this main point.
Also, I took accounting in college and it never really discussed fractional reserve banking and the benefits or problems associated with it.

I’m not arguing with you because I simply don’t know enough about economics (although I took econ in college as well), but I don’t see how depressions just happen. It seems like a 800 billion dollar bailout is exactly what the fed reserve would want. [/quote]

Yeah, you’re not going to learn about how the banking system works by taking an accounting class. If you’re still in school, you might want to look into econ classes titled “public finance” or “economics of money and banking”. I took several econ classes in banking and public finance in college and it’s not as easy a subject to understand as movies like this pretend it to be, it requires lots of study and lots of reading. The Federal Reserve and the banking system in the U.S. are very intricate and complex entities that simply can’t be summed up in a couple hours of video.

Recessions are a normal part of any economic cycle. A depression is simply a severe recession. Anyone who took a macro econ course should be familiar with the variables that contribute to economic recessions, but it should also be noted that these things simply can’t be summed up in a couple hours of video.

Seems to me that the bottom line here for many people that use these kinds of videos as their source of information about these types of issues, is that there is a handful of jews and ultra-wealthy families that “control the world”. This simply isn’t true, and it isn’t even worth debating why. Anyone that believes that the entire world is controlled by a few jews and ultra-wealthy families would probably believe anything anyway.

“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible
to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.”
President James Madison

â??The Nation has lost control over its own money and, therefore, over its whole future and destiny.
From the first false step of granting a monopoly of note-issue to the Bank of England,
soon after its foundation in 1694 [as we did in letting ourselves be saddled with the Federal Reserve Bank in 1913],
it has been stealthily, but now completely subjugated to the soulless despotism of Money Power,
wielded by institutions still calling themselves â??banks,â?? but operating, for their own power and profit,
what is now nothing but a gigantic private minting swindle. . .

The money system is rotten to the core, and until it is replaced by a national, scientific system which is both fool-proof and knave-proof, the corruption will permeate ever more deeply into the roots of our national life. We shall continue with the rest of the world to be governed,
as Disraeli said, by persons very different from what is imagined. "

“Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.”
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

I just want to know why the main financial structure that controls money is a for profit organization. The fed reserve is not a government institution. It is a privately owned corporation that has an agenda like all for profit organizations.

Lincoln’s greenback monetary system worked fine. There was no debt created apparently. Bottom line is money makes the world go round and it is the most important factor in peoples lives.

Why would the founding fathers all oppose central banking? The same reason they left England. To get away from debt and taxes. We did this successfully and somehow we fell back into the same hole.

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
and it’s not like this movie is shedding light on some secret cabal of a few sinister men (and “teh jooz”) that control the world, since such a cabal doesn’t exist anyways; that always seems like the narrative for any Alex Jones type conspiracy theorist.
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This would be discrediting the movie since it centers around this main point.
Also, I took accounting in college and it never really discussed fractional reserve banking and the benefits or problems associated with it.

I’m not arguing with you because I simply don’t know enough about economics (although I took econ in college as well), but I don’t see how depressions just happen. It seems like a 800 billion dollar bailout is exactly what the fed reserve would want. [/quote]

The fractional reserve system is basic finance, very basic. It should have been covered, at least briefly in your econ classes as well.

[quote]skaz05 wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
and it’s not like this movie is shedding light on some secret cabal of a few sinister men (and “teh jooz”) that control the world, since such a cabal doesn’t exist anyways; that always seems like the narrative for any Alex Jones type conspiracy theorist.
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This would be discrediting the movie since it centers around this main point.
Also, I took accounting in college and it never really discussed fractional reserve banking and the benefits or problems associated with it.

I’m not arguing with you because I simply don’t know enough about economics (although I took econ in college as well), but I don’t see how depressions just happen. It seems like a 800 billion dollar bailout is exactly what the fed reserve would want. [/quote]

Yeah, you’re not going to learn about how the banking system works by taking an accounting class. If you’re still in school, you might want to look into econ classes titled “public finance” or “economics of money and banking”. I took several econ classes in banking and public finance in college and it’s not as easy a subject to understand as movies like this pretend it to be, it requires lots of study and lots of reading. The Federal Reserve and the banking system in the U.S. are very intricate and complex entities that simply can’t be summed up in a couple hours of video.

Recessions are a normal part of any economic cycle. A depression is simply a severe recession. Anyone who took a macro econ course should be familiar with the variables that contribute to economic recessions, but it should also be noted that these things simply can’t be summed up in a couple hours of video.

Seems to me that the bottom line here for many people that use these kinds of videos as their source of information about these types of issues, is that there is a handful of jews and ultra-wealthy families that “control the world”. This simply isn’t true, and it isn’t even worth debating why. Anyone that believes that the entire world is controlled by a few jews and ultra-wealthy families would probably believe anything anyway.[/quote]

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[quote]JoeGood wrote:

You seem to think you know quite a bit about econ and markets. Will you watch what I proposed in my op and address what the film states? Also, why do we have to rely on fractional reserve banking and with nothing to back it? Is there no better way?

I’ve seen it. Nothing new, just the stuff that isn’t widely circulated or discussed. Similar to the recent Wikileaks article exposing military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is accessible information, but not info that is circulated via media or education facilities.

Hatin on Alex Jones huh Skaz? Some of their stuff is whack but some is credible. FYI, they don’t try to sell the fact that “a few wealthy Jews run the world,” but they do report on the Bildeberg group. I would love to see you discredit that. I don’t know if they are as evil as AJ makes out, but they do exist nonetheless and they do discuss global agenda.

I don’t see how anybody can support the existence of the Federal Reserve. It is in blatant conflict with our constitution. How is it that we pay interest to a private bank for controlling our debt, credit, and money supply? Our govt has countless responsibilties that it shouldn’t, but somehow central banking and border protection aren’t included.

Rome had a near perfect system using tally sticks, OP-you will like this video if you haven’t seen it. Types of Government - Republic vs. Democracy vs. Oligarchy - YouTube

Have you seen Zeitgeist? It covers some of the same topics in Money Masters. There is a Zeitgeist and a Zeitgeist addenda, two seperate movies which cover different topics.

The best thing you can do with information like this is exactly what you did here by posting. The more people that know this stuff the better. “An informed public we are losing” Jesse Ventura

I find it fascinating how who ever is running the fed reserve keeps the public so far away from the obvious truth. Their system is genius. Whoever says that we should abolish the fed gets labeled as a conspiracy theorist or hippie or whatever. It’s like an automatic defense.

When I watch Big Brother or Survivor I realize how and why these groups do what they do. It’s obvious to win the game you need to align yourself with other strong players and manipulate the votes to get what you want. The game they play is controlling the world and accumulating wealth. The strategies are strikingly similar.

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
I watched it a while ago, it does contain some good info but much of it seems like fodder for the Alex Jones crowd. They like to post stuff like: “Watch this movie and WAKE UP AMERICA! END THE FED!” as if they are smarter than the “average sheeple” that they claim to despise so much.

A lot of information in this movie is widely known information anyways, so I don’t really see what the big deal is. Take a course in public finance and banking and you pretty much have most of this movie down, and it’s not like this movie is shedding light on some secret cabal of a few sinister men (and “teh jooz”) that control the world, since such a cabal doesn’t exist anyways; that always seems like the narrative for any Alex Jones type conspiracy theorist.

And central banking isn’t something peculiar to the U.S. I honestly can’t think of one country in the world that doesn’t have a central banking system that mimics the Federal Reserve. If central baking was such an evil, why is the Federal Reserve the model central bank of the world?

There really isn’t anything to discredit in this movie, since much of it is widely known public information. It seems like the only people that are clueless to this subject are the ones posting crazy conspiracy theories on the internet, maybe it’s those people that need to “wake up sheeple”.[/quote]

I think if you look closely to history, the Federal Reserve Banks are becoming replicas of the Germany’s Central Bank. America and Germany have traded a lot of government models.

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
and it’s not like this movie is shedding light on some secret cabal of a few sinister men (and “teh jooz”) that control the world, since such a cabal doesn’t exist anyways; that always seems like the narrative for any Alex Jones type conspiracy theorist.
[/quote]

This would be discrediting the movie since it centers around this main point.
Also, I took accounting in college and it never really discussed fractional reserve banking and the benefits or problems associated with it.

I’m not arguing with you because I simply don’t know enough about economics (although I took econ in college as well), but I don’t see how depressions just happen. It seems like a 800 billion dollar bailout is exactly what the fed reserve would want. [/quote]

Accounting they are not going to teach you about that, however taking finance and Economic (especially the dreaded Macro) will teach you about fractional. That is of course your teacher taught you everything.

[quote]skaz05 wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
and it’s not like this movie is shedding light on some secret cabal of a few sinister men (and “teh jooz”) that control the world, since such a cabal doesn’t exist anyways; that always seems like the narrative for any Alex Jones type conspiracy theorist.
[/quote]

This would be discrediting the movie since it centers around this main point.
Also, I took accounting in college and it never really discussed fractional reserve banking and the benefits or problems associated with it.

I’m not arguing with you because I simply don’t know enough about economics (although I took econ in college as well), but I don’t see how depressions just happen. It seems like a 800 billion dollar bailout is exactly what the fed reserve would want. [/quote]

Yeah, you’re not going to learn about how the banking system works by taking an accounting class. If you’re still in school, you might want to look into econ classes titled “public finance” or “economics of money and banking”. I took several econ classes in banking and public finance in college and it’s not as easy a subject to understand as movies like this pretend it to be, it requires lots of study and lots of reading. The Federal Reserve and the banking system in the U.S. are very intricate and complex entities that simply can’t be summed up in a couple hours of video.

Recessions are a normal part of any economic cycle. A depression is simply a severe recession. Anyone who took a macro econ course should be familiar with the variables that contribute to economic recessions, but it should also be noted that these things simply can’t be summed up in a couple hours of video.
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There is not quantitative difference between a recession and a depression. At least not logically. Example, the Great Depression was actually 3 recessions close together. Almost all of them can be linked to the New Deal, and the printing of money after Great Britain had devalued their own currency.

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Seems to me that the bottom line here for many people that use these kinds of videos as their source of information about these types of issues, is that there is a handful of jews and ultra-wealthy families that “control the world”. This simply isn’t true, and it isn’t even worth debating why. Anyone that believes that the entire world is controlled by a few jews and ultra-wealthy families would probably believe anything anyway.[/quote]

Eh, I think people take it too far, however there are some wealthy families (some happen to be Jewish, which Jewish is spelled with a capital J, but they do not control the whole world) that do control large portions of business movements around the world. I actually know two Jewish brothers that attempted to (did it and then were caught) control the silver market. Successfully capturing 3/4ths of the silver market, then of course had it taken away by the government.

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
I just want to know why the main financial structure that controls money is a for profit organization. The fed reserve is not a government institution. It is a privately owned corporation that has an agenda like all for profit organizations.

Lincoln’s greenback monetary system worked fine. There was no debt created apparently. Bottom line is money makes the world go round and it is the most important factor in peoples lives.

Why would the founding fathers all oppose central banking? The same reason they left England. To get away from debt and taxes. We did this successfully and somehow we fell back into the same hole.

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I am not a fan of Lincoln, partially because Hitler found him to be a good leader in how he treated his people and his political movements. I also do not care for fiat money, which greenbacks are fiat. I would much rather have gold and silver, and I could suffice to lean back enough to think of gold and silver certificates.

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Hatin on Alex Jones huh Skaz? Some of their stuff is whack but some is credible. FYI, they don’t try to sell the fact that “a few wealthy Jews run the world,” but they do report on the Bildeberg group. I would love to see you discredit that. I don’t know if they are as evil as AJ makes out, but they do exist nonetheless and they do discuss global agenda.[/quote]

I don’t watch Alex Jones. I did watch his ‘Obama is a neoconfacistilluminatipuppet’ movie while I was drunk and I admit it was entertaining.

I don’t see what the big deal is with the Bilderberg group. As far as I know it’s a group of intellectuals that Henry Kissinger belongs to that meets every year to get drunk and discuss whatever it is they discuss. It sounds pretty boring to me. I hardly think that any plots to rule the world are discussed at a social gathering of really old drunks that play golf and write opinion pieces about labor economics and geopolitics.

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I don’t see how anybody can support the existence of the Federal Reserve. It is in blatant conflict with our constitution. How is it that we pay interest to a private bank for controlling our debt, credit, and money supply? Our govt has countless responsibilties that it shouldn’t, but somehow central banking and border protection aren’t included.[/quote]

Yeah, I think we should hand over the keys of the country’s money creation system to the U.S. Congress. That would be a much better “solution” to the insidious, dastardly, evil system in place currently. That was sarcasm btw.

I’m not a fan of nationalizing the banks. Not. One. Bit. The problem isn’t the Federal Reserve, the problem is government spending. That’s rule #1 of inflation, it’s not caused by the fed “printing money”, it’s caused by reckless government spending. And where does it say that the fed controls the debt, credit and money supply? There is the U.S. Treasury you know.

I don’t understand the hate for the fed. They really don’t have all the power people claim they do and much of their policy is, in fact, dictated by the U.S. Congress. They are independently audited every year, and the results of those audits are made public.

If you ever get a chance, you should read Alan Greenspan’s memoirs. It’s called ‘The Age of Turbulence’. I read it a couple years ago and it was very insightful.