Wow, since Cheney has been fighting to exempt the CIA from the anti-torture guidelines that have been proposed?
You expect me to believe that the president, and the legal opinions that have been created to support torture during this administration, have absolutely no effect on policy?
What are you smoking?
Zap, I know where you are coming from, but the terorrists aren't claiming moral superiority or that others should refrain from human rights abuses. I also am not in a position to present my thoughts to them...
Anyway, of the folks that argue so strongly against concepts such as moral relativism, I have to ask again, is torture right or wrong? It is obviously wrong... especially to have it be part of policy.
Human RIGHTS are human rights. These are things that people are willing to fight and die to protect. If you want to take the high ground you do have to wrap yourself in some sort of virtues, don't you?
Anyway, honestly, as much as Sassy will bitch and whine, I'm not anti-US, though I am certainly anti-torture. I am also against some of the policies that the current administration puts forth.
That is allowed. I expect western civilizations to be based on principles, and I'm yelling loud and often when it doesn't seem to be the case. I don't care if anyone likes the fact that I'm dissappointed in what I see. This is especially true of those that can't peel out the issues from their allegiances. They are certainly seperable.
Look, somebody else in need of reading lessons. I think you missed the point of the wording of my post.
Basically, non-US citizens seem to be lesser beings to many. Rights of people who aren't American simply don't matter -- to some people. Even basic human rights.
I'm not saying people won't see the story, I'm saying they damn well won't care! This will be true both for compassionate conservatives and bleeding heart liberals. Can you see the difference between not seeing and not caring? It's huge.