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Another First Cycler Here, Gear Advice?

Hello everyone. This is my first true cycle and I need some real help. First off let me begin by saying that I am prone to gyno. I took some junk pro hormones from the internet years ago and had a painful mass under my left breast that eventually went away over time. I am a bit scared that this may reoccur and i want to do whatever i can to prevent it. I am 31 y/o 6’1 208lbs and for the most part pretty lean. As far as my gear goes i have:
Sust 250
Tren E 200
Deca 300
HGH
I also have Tamoxifen 25mg and Clomifene 50mg for my PCT.

Originally I had planned on doing 1cc of Sust and .5cc of Tren every week then after week 2 add 1cc of Deca on a different day.
Also doing 3iu of GH daily

(All of this for a 10 week cycle)

Mind you this is about half of the dose what was really recommend to me by an IFBB pro body builder that i was training with. I still feel its a bit much for the first run.
Anyway I did the first dose on monday (1cc sust, .5cc tren) and i have the worst pain in my glute. Feels like a horse kicked me. Maybe its in my head but i feel like the left nipple is puffy already.

Should I stick with the current plan or just go with the test and GH? IM thinking just test might be enough but i was really curious how the deca would affect my sore shoulders. Also in hind site i read somewhere that out of all of the test, sust is the one that is most prone to causing gyno.

Any feedback would be appreciated thanks guys.

Youre prone to gyno, but you’re not taking an AI…No HCG either…you better hope your body responds well and recovers easily from this shit, cause your dick probably isnt going to work afterwards. Tren and Deca are both known for killing sex drive and causing ED. And this is your first cycle? Did you do any research at all? Doesnt look like it.

what do you think the clomid and nolvadex are for??? gyno maybe??? geeez and as far as my research goes, this is part of it. asking for advice and help with what i have and what I’ve heard.

You better hope Reed doesn’t read this hahah

So you’re friends with supposed ifbb pro, yet come to the internet for advice? Hmmmmm

What the fuck does Clomid have to do with gyno??? Seriously your doing research… But you already started the cycle… What the fuck. You realize that’s like going to bar you know nothing about in a town you no nothing about and then picking up some girl who looks like she could be young or risky and as your bending her over and plowing her ass she tells you she is 15. Well its little fucking late and you got a 50/50 chance on fucking your life up all because you didn’t wanna research. Get where im going.

As for your Cycle its a pretty legit fucking cycle. Pretty fucking foolish and complete over kill but hey your “friend” who is a “IFBB Pro” told you about it so its probably good to go because as we all know health and longevity is the main goal and priority of a Pro Bodybuilder. Which brings me to my next point. Why the hell are you asking us if you your friend is so knowledgeable? Which just to be frank I doubt he is or he would have told you to run a AI considering your gyno and estro pro. I mean I dont run a AI but I also dont grow a rack or my prostate grow to the size of a orange like some people do.

Also the pain in your glutes has to do with one virgin muscle and two possibly shitty brewed gear and three piss poor pin technique… Or in your case a very fair chance its all three.

Lastly donr be a dick head. You came here asking for advice because you have no fucking clue what your doing and are realizing now that your ass probably made a mistake. So when I or other members give accurate advice dont fucking throw it away like we are the fucking idiots. We put in our time and research… Not our fault you didn’t. Your 30+ years old try to think.

[quote]buzz59 wrote:
You better hope Reed doesn’t read this hahah [/quote]

I tried to be nicer than usual I think.

[quote]Reed wrote:
What the fuck does Clomid have to do with gyno??? Seriously your doing research… But you already started the cycle… What the fuck. You realize that’s like going to bar you know nothing about in a town you no nothing about and then picking up some girl who looks like she could be young or risky and as your bending her over and plowing her ass she tells you she is 15. Well its little fucking late and you got a 50/50 chance on fucking your life up all because you didn’t wanna research. Get where im going.

As for your Cycle its a pretty legit fucking cycle. Pretty fucking foolish and complete over kill but hey your “friend” who is a “IFBB Pro” told you about it so its probably good to go because as we all know health and longevity is the main goal and priority of a Pro Bodybuilder. Which brings me to my next point. Why the hell are you asking us if you your friend is so knowledgeable? Which just to be frank I doubt he is or he would have told you to run a AI considering your gyno and estro pro. I mean I dont run a AI but I also dont grow a rack or my prostate grow to the size of a orange like some people do.

Also the pain in your glutes has to do with one virgin muscle and two possibly shitty brewed gear and three piss poor pin technique… Or in your case a very fair chance its all three.

Lastly donr be a dick head. You came here asking for advice because you have no fucking clue what your doing and are realizing now that your ass probably made a mistake. So when I or other members give accurate advice dont fucking throw it away like we are the fucking idiots. We put in our time and research… Not our fault you didn’t. Your 30+ years old try to think.[/quote]

I got what i could get my hands on and i was working with that. I thought that clomid was similar to nolvadex in blocking estrogen receptor sites. I never said the guy was my friend. He trains at my gym and has his pro card and i thought that he might at least know a little something, so i trained with him a few times and asked him what to take. Maybe he doesn’t know shit except how to be huge and unhealthy. IM not trying to be a pro and i don’t want to grow a third elbow, just looking for noticeable gains.

With that being said I don’t know much. I have some gear and wanted a little advice.
Also now in hind site i read an article published by a doctor specializing in gyno and male breast tissue procedures and it stated that out of all of the test supplements sust was one of the ones that resulted in the most cases of gyno.

An AI (Aromtase Inhibitor) and a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) work very differently.

Seriously dude:

I had a small gyno develope from using Dbol when i was younger. I am now running my first real cycle of test with an AI and my gyno is still flaring a bit.
I couldn’t say with 100% positivity, but I feel if you’re running aromatising compounds and have had gyno you better fucking believe its going to come back.

Get Arimidex or Aromasin, and get Letro just in case you need to zap that shit quick.

Follow my log and I’ll be going over my gyno issue tonight.