Another Depression Thread

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]E901 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Get off all the meds, start taking some T-replacement shit and try getting your hands on some good LSD. Serious, give the acid a try. It’s not going to kill you and it’s actually been clinically shown in its earlier stages of experimentation in the 1930s and 1940s to have some therapeutic value. Do it under supervision, like with some friends who are experienced with it.

On a related note, if you smoke weed or drink at all I would stop immediately.[/quote]

Will try ASAP. Moderate cocaine use can’t hurt either right???[/quote]

Sure, go ahead and jest. If I were you, I’d be trying every possible remedy out there, cocaine not included.

But there is actually a lot of clinical evidence to suggest that LSD can be used to treat depression. You’re young, you’ve tried all sorts of other chemical solutions, I assume you don’t use other drugs or drink, you’re at an age where you have the whole world ahead of you, and all you can do is sit there and cry into your milk about how cruel the world is around you while you slip further and further into the pity party you call depression.

Get out and live a little, for Christ’s sake. Go get some strange pussy, drive your car fast, piss into the wind, whatever. You’re too young to be depressed all the time to the point where no medication seems to work. And if you DO drugs, other than psychedelics, and you drink, well, there’s your problem right there.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9565026/Can-LSD-cure-depression.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_therapy[/quote]

Ever hear of Ibogaine?

You know what sucks about a depression?

That you know what you should do, but you cant.

Thats the worst thing really.

Which is why I question people who say that “Oh, you only have to…”.

Yeah, but no…

[quote]E901 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]E901 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Get off all the meds, start taking some T-replacement shit and try getting your hands on some good LSD. Serious, give the acid a try. It’s not going to kill you and it’s actually been clinically shown in its earlier stages of experimentation in the 1930s and 1940s to have some therapeutic value. Do it under supervision, like with some friends who are experienced with it.

On a related note, if you smoke weed or drink at all I would stop immediately.[/quote]

Will try ASAP. Moderate cocaine use can’t hurt either right???[/quote]

Sure, go ahead and jest. If I were you, I’d be trying every possible remedy out there, cocaine not included.

But there is actually a lot of clinical evidence to suggest that LSD can be used to treat depression. You’re young, you’ve tried all sorts of other chemical solutions, I assume you don’t use other drugs or drink, you’re at an age where you have the whole world ahead of you, and all you can do is sit there and cry into your milk about how cruel the world is around you while you slip further and further into the pity party you call depression.

Get out and live a little, for Christ’s sake. Go get some strange pussy, drive your car fast, piss into the wind, whatever. You’re too young to be depressed all the time to the point where no medication seems to work. And if you DO drugs, other than psychedelics, and you drink, well, there’s your problem right there.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9565026/Can-LSD-cure-depression.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_therapy[/quote]

Ever hear of Ibogaine?[/quote]

Yeah, I hear it did wonders for Ed Muskie.

I don’t know too much about your situation but I will give a little advice that helped me (I know every case is different).

Get off the computer/netflix. It’s a gigantic time suck and socially isolates you.

Join any sort of club or group focused around an interest you have. It helped in my case to be around people even if they were total strangers.

Spend time strengthening your personal relationships with friends and family.

Try to keep occupied with the majority of your free time. The more down time I have, the more depressed I tend to be.

I know it’s easier said than done.

All the best.

No alcohol, no cigs.

No other drugs too you stoopid bastard.

Clean, healthy living.

Yaaaayyyyyy…

Seriously.

Do it.

dont know what else has been said, tired, but wanted to post real quick.

I have been medicated for the majority of my life, since 15.

Get a new doctor. If it your GP prescribing, get to a specialist. For the vast majority of GPs they are completely lost with psych issues.

Get diagnostic testing. Keep a log of your feelings. Write in it multiple times a day, when you actually have the feelings, not trying to remember them at the end of the day. Both good and bad, happy and sad, etc. This is a great diagnostic tool because you can track patterns and associations of your feelings. If you tend to get upset and then depressed in social situations, for example, that is usually indicative of social anxiety disorder.

You have to get the correct diagnosis before you can get the right treatement.

Let me say that again, YOU HAVE TO GET THE RIGHT DIAGNOSIS BEFORE YOU CAN GET THE RIGHT TREATMENT.

I was originally diagnosed with manic depression (bipolar I). they tried to shove mania treatments down my throat even though I lacked a big chunk of the manic features like delusions of grander. I kept telling them I wasnt manic, I am just hyper. they didnt care.

NEW DOC. Also diagnosed manic depression. I told her i was not fucking manic. she prescribed meds for depression and mania anyway. i just didnt take the manic meds and things improved a shit ton. told her she was wrong just like the other assholes, and she actually accepted it. we then worked with MULTIPLE MEDS and MULTIPLE COCKTAILS until we got something that worked. I actually took a couple meds at higher than max allowable dose before they started working.

Cocktails are sometimes required to avoid friggin nasty side effects. cocktails are sometimes needed because a single med does not do everything that is needed.

i am sure there have been people that say get off the meds, think positive, you dont need those chemicals, yada fucking yada. to them i say FUCK OFF. They have obviously never dealt with things to the degree that i have. sell your alternative shit to somebody else. yes these meds can be harsh and have some fucked side effects, but you know what? It is STILL better than the affliction they help treat. I cant quite tell just how bad this is, but you have to keep all alternatives open until you are stable for a very long time. Then you can start experimenting.

Off my soapbox, back to my original message: getting the right diagnosis is imperative to ANY treatment protocol, whether mainstream, alternative, aligning your shakra, etc. You have to know what you are fighting before you can fight it.

I am not going to tell you it is easy, because it fucking isnt. I am not going to tell you it will happen with the next doc you see because it likely wont. I am going to guess 2-3 docs before you find one worth a shit.

Stick with it and you will hopefully find something that makes you not wish to go to sleep and not wake up.

I dont know you and i am not going to blow the typical “life is worth living” smoke up your skirt. If you think it is when you feel ok, then you have to fight for it. The fight is going to be hard, trust me. It is also going to be a fight you will fight every single day for the rest of your life. You seem like you want to be ok, if your post here is honest. So fight man. Take no shit from any fucker with an MD after their name because they dont know what you are going through. YOU are the only one that can treat you. they will provide the diagnostic tools and prescription pad if need be, but they do not have skin in the game like you do. you have to educate yourself concerning the biology, physiology and psychology behind whatever it is you are dealing with.

I had to learn everything about it at the ripe old age of 15 because the fucktards couldnt tell their ass from a hole in the ground. You cannot take a passive head nod role in this because they are the ones with the fancy initials. Your future depends on you. Now go take it back.

[quote]E901 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Get off all the meds, start taking some T-replacement shit and try getting your hands on some good LSD. Serious, give the acid a try. It’s not going to kill you and it’s actually been clinically shown in its earlier stages of experimentation in the 1930s and 1940s to have some therapeutic value. Do it under supervision, like with some friends who are experienced with it.

On a related note, if you smoke weed or drink at all I would stop immediately.[/quote]

Will try ASAP. Moderate cocaine use can’t hurt either right???[/quote]

I can and will advise you to refrain from using cocaine. It will help you be more social, it will make you more outgoing and you will have fun, but all that comes at a great cost. It has a huge addictive potential, it’s incredibly expensive and can completely ruin your life. It’s only good for those with extreme disclipline to not go overboard, ever.

On the other hand, I do agree with trying LSD in a controlled situation with experienced users and people you are very comfortable around. This also along with M can really change your perspective on life. It may not cure you and it probably won’t, but it may give you an idea that can spark the end of your depression.

I also agree with quit smoking weed if you do, or lower how frequently you smoke it. I firmly believe as a daily smoker that it can lead to anxiety, depression and social isolation. It’s not bad, but it’s easy to become a habitual smoker and just stop doing, anything.

I have read that depression is not just a state of mind that someone can shrug off or “get over”…though you knew that already.

So what I want to say is try to tune out all those people that tell you to “just cheer up” or whatever, and when they say that you should be happy because other people may have a worse life than you do.
I’d guess when dperession gets ahold of you hearing shit that could only make you feel guilty as well depressed.

I have never really liked vegetables and often felt that they didn’t give me “energy” like coffee or Red Bull. But after reading an article on the mood altering benefits of alkalyzing your diet (through lots of vegetables and some fruit), I started doing it. I have been consuming 5 to 10 servings of fruits and vegetables a day for the last 6 months and noticed an immediate spike in my mood and concentration.

Six weeks ago I also stopped all caffeine and feel better still! Quitting caffeine is harder and takes a few weeks to feel your nerves calm back down, but both of these changes have worked wonders for me. At the risk of sounding like an infomercial, I haven’t had a depressing or anxious thought in a long time. I wake up now every day feeling calm, focused and motivated.

Give it a try my friend…

Well I already wrote a novel response and if OP used what I wrote and practiced he could figure out how he is perpetuating the cycle of his depression thus being able to break free of the cycle and getting back his peace and full life… However aside from that the hands down best literature out there for curing depression is a book by Dr David Burns called “Feeling Good”, you can find it on Amazon and much cheaper then trying drugs like cocaine and LSD Though I do not doubt the legitimacy of LSD in curing depression, they already use it for curing addictions like heroin…

The idea is to be able to face whatever issues arise in a place where someone feels calm and more willing to let go and drop all the baggage they carried from my understanding at least, though with coming into contact of your own awareness and deepening yourself with already mentioned meditative practices these things just naturally drop on their own…

Thanks for the responses guys, I have read through them all

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Get off all the meds, start taking some T-replacement shit and try getting your hands on some good LSD. Serious, give the acid a try. It’s not going to kill you and it’s actually been clinically shown in its earlier stages of experimentation in the 1930s and 1940s to have some therapeutic value. Do it under supervision, like with some friends who are experienced with it.

On a related note, if you smoke weed or drink at all I would stop immediately.[/quote]

This may be the worst advice in the history of advice. Giving LSD to the clinically depressed is a formula for the worst trip in the cosmos.

LSD has been shown to have some potential therapeutic value, but for damn sure not depression.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Lol this is all low testosterone bullshit. I can’t help you and I don’t have the faintest fucking idea on what to do but I feel your pain.[/quote]

Testosterone is VERY significant in it’s effects on the brain and low T can very much be a contributing factor to depression. The impact of sex hormones allows for synaptic growth and branching which is often stunted in the depressed brain. While the effect of SSRI’s is to prevent the reuptake of serotonin so there will be more available to the synapses, sex hormones actually increase the number and function of the receptors making them better at using the neurotransmitters and using more of them. In the end the effect is very similar to SSRI’s in that more seretonin is utilized by the brain and hence having a positive effect on mood.

It’s effectiveness of course varies per individual. The OP is not responding to SSRI’s so it may not help him, but the effect of a low sex hormone count cannot be discounted with respect to it’s effects on mood.

There is a strong correlation between low testosterone and depression in men. So it’s not bullshit. But it’s not a cure all either.

[quote]E901 wrote:
This ones going to be a little bit differentâ?¦. I wanted to put this on T-Nation because itâ??s the site I’m most familiar with and I’m aware of what posters know their stuff. Anyways, I made a thread about depression a few years ago asking for advice about medication. Well, I have tried a lot of different medications and nothing has worked. Iâ??ve tried Zoloft, Prozac, luvox, abilify, cymbalta, klonopin, xanax, clonidine, wellbutrinâ?¦

I have been going to therapy for about 2 years and mostly tried CBT. I have done group therapy as well. In addition, I have went to a hospital for a week where we were taught various methods of self help. I have read a few books related to the topic but they didnâ??t seem to strike me in any way. Exercise doesnâ??t help, eating clean doesnâ??t help. Usually I have to force myself to go to the gym and just go through the motions, which makes me only angrier at myself. I always do cardio at the gym though which my therapists say is best. Tried supplementing with fish oil, vitamin D, and a multi. My depression was so bad that I dropped out of college, so I have been getting plenty of sleep now that I am home. I got a job which forces me to interact with people even if itâ??s just say hello to a customer. Iâ??m sure there are other things I have tried, but basically nothing works.

Sure If I do everything right I may feel a little better briefly (if I have a good workout usually). But at the end of the day Iâ??m still feeling hopeless, depressed, and like there is no reason for me to keep living. I donâ??t know what is keeping me going. Iâ??m so tired and have no energy the whole day (partly due to the fact that Iâ??m on 4 medications). I have no interest or motivation for anything and I really donâ??t know what to do. People try to show that they care and it just does not register with me. Iâ??m emotionally vacant sometimes…where its nothing but depression. So basically what Iâ??m wondering isâ?¦what do you do when nothing seems to work? Embrace it? Realize that it wonâ??t get better and just keep going?[/quote]

I have a difficult time believing that you’ve taken 5 different anti-depressants. What kind of time frame are we talking about here? It takes about 6 weeks to get them to work to full effect and you have to be off of them for 4 to 6 weeks before you can start another. That’s years of drug therapy in what seems like a fairly condensed time frame.
Wellbutrin is a terrible drug, stay away. For the few it works for it’s fine, but it causes a lot of people near panic attack levels of anxiety and a feeling of psychosis. Even after discontinuing treatment, the negative effects can last up to 2 years, though obviously not as severe. That may explain the need for the xanax and klonopin, for sure.

Drugs of course will only take you so far. You could be suffering from a situationally dependent form as well.

You actually haven’t given that much information for people to be much help. The only thing I have gathered from your post is that you ‘tried everything and nothing helps’.
And certainly there is the possibility you are engaged in some sort of negative behavior, habit or addiction that you don’t want to give up and you are using all of these methods to prop yourself up enough to maintain this negative behavior without being forced to quit.

If you have tried everything and nothing is helping, it’s perhaps time to expand the scope of what you are looking at. Problem with that is it may be personal to the point that you don’t want to discuss it in public. Whatever is going on with you, I sense a key piece of information missing about your lifestyle or situation where, while stuck in it nothing will help. For instance, if you are in an abusive relationship you can take all the drugs you want and all the therapy you want and you will not feel better because the stressor, which is rather intense, has not been addressed.

I got a feeling we’re not really talking about your feelings, you have an ‘elephant in the room’ and you don’t want to, or are afraid to address it. It may be a person who you love, but doesn’t love you, but since you are so afraid of letting go you try to numb the hurt with something else. Or you may be engaged in behavior that is very negative, but you like it and you don’t want to quit it.

I got a feeling that it’s the thing you don’t want to admit that’s the issue here and it’s probably pretty obvious. You could try the Jerry Springer litmus test. If you could see yourself on that show, that which puts you there is your problem.

I guess the question is, do you want to mask the problem or solve it? What are you willing to do to fix it, or what aren’t you willing to do?

I smell a rat, and elephant sized rat.

[quote]E901 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Get off all the meds, start taking some T-replacement shit and try getting your hands on some good LSD. Serious, give the acid a try. It’s not going to kill you and it’s actually been clinically shown in its earlier stages of experimentation in the 1930s and 1940s to have some therapeutic value. Do it under supervision, like with some friends who are experienced with it.

On a related note, if you smoke weed or drink at all I would stop immediately.[/quote]

Will try ASAP. Moderate cocaine use can’t hurt either right???[/quote]

Well, if you are not being facetious here, you aren’t interested in getting better. Coke and acid may be a hell of a lot of fun, but they don’t fix shit. So knock yourself out, but don’t whine about being depressed.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]E901 wrote:
This ones going to be a little bit differentÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦. I wanted to put this on T-Nation because itÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??s the site I’m most familiar with and I’m aware of what posters know their stuff. Anyways, I made a thread about depression a few years ago asking for advice about medication. Well, I have tried a lot of different medications and nothing has worked. IÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??ve tried Zoloft, Prozac, luvox, abilify, cymbalta, klonopin, xanax, clonidine, wellbutrinÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦

I have been going to therapy for about 2 years and mostly tried CBT. I have done group therapy as well. In addition, I have went to a hospital for a week where we were taught various methods of self help. I have read a few books related to the topic but they didn�??�?�¢??t seem to strike me in any way. Exercise doesn�??�?�¢??t help, eating clean doesn�??�?�¢??t help. Usually I have to force myself to go to the gym and just go through the motions, which makes me only angrier at myself. I always do cardio at the gym though which my therapists say is best. Tried supplementing with fish oil, vitamin D, and a multi. My depression was so bad that I dropped out of college, so I have been getting plenty of sleep now that I am home. I got a job which forces me to interact with people even if it�??�?�¢??s just say hello to a customer. I�??�?�¢??m sure there are other things I have tried, but basically nothing works.

Sure If I do everything right I may feel a little better briefly (if I have a good workout usually). But at the end of the day IÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??m still feeling hopeless, depressed, and like there is no reason for me to keep living. I donÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??t know what is keeping me going. IÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??m so tired and have no energy the whole day (partly due to the fact that IÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??m on 4 medications). I have no interest or motivation for anything and I really donÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??t know what to do. People try to show that they care and it just does not register with me. IÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??m emotionally vacant sometimes…where its nothing but depression. So basically what IÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??m wondering isÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?Ã???Ã??Ã?¦what do you do when nothing seems to work? Embrace it? Realize that it wonÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??t get better and just keep going?[/quote]

I have a difficult time believing that you’ve taken 5 different anti-depressants. What kind of time frame are we talking about here? It takes about 6 weeks to get them to work to full effect and you have to be off of them for 4 to 6 weeks before you can start another. That’s years of drug therapy in what seems like a fairly condensed time frame.
Wellbutrin is a terrible drug, stay away. For the few it works for it’s fine, but it causes a lot of people near panic attack levels of anxiety and a feeling of psychosis. Even after discontinuing treatment, the negative effects can last up to 2 years, though obviously not as severe. That may explain the need for the xanax and klonopin, for sure.

Drugs of course will only take you so far. You could be suffering from a situationally dependent form as well.

You actually haven’t given that much information for people to be much help. The only thing I have gathered from your post is that you ‘tried everything and nothing helps’.
And certainly there is the possibility you are engaged in some sort of negative behavior, habit or addiction that you don’t want to give up and you are using all of these methods to prop yourself up enough to maintain this negative behavior without being forced to quit.

If you have tried everything and nothing is helping, it’s perhaps time to expand the scope of what you are looking at. Problem with that is it may be personal to the point that you don’t want to discuss it in public. Whatever is going on with you, I sense a key piece of information missing about your lifestyle or situation where, while stuck in it nothing will help. For instance, if you are in an abusive relationship you can take all the drugs you want and all the therapy you want and you will not feel better because the stressor, which is rather intense, has not been addressed.

I got a feeling we’re not really talking about your feelings, you have an ‘elephant in the room’ and you don’t want to, or are afraid to address it. It may be a person who you love, but doesn’t love you, but since you are so afraid of letting go you try to numb the hurt with something else. Or you may be engaged in behavior that is very negative, but you like it and you don’t want to quit it.

I got a feeling that it’s the thing you don’t want to admit that’s the issue here and it’s probably pretty obvious. You could try the Jerry Springer litmus test. If you could see yourself on that show, that which puts you there is your problem.

I guess the question is, do you want to mask the problem or solve it? What are you willing to do to fix it, or what aren’t you willing to do?

I smell a rat, and elephant sized rat.[/quote]

True it is impossible to scope the full situation of whatever is going on without completely seeing everything in its totality of OPs Situation, if OP does not post the part say of extreme anger or guilt over a trauma then we can’t really come in with a solution, likewise we do not know how OP perceives and views the world which can be another huge issue of self fulfilling cycle, say for example an extreme sense of lack, low self worth, fear of future, etc… Sometimes though people are so far in the cycle of their depression that they can’t see what the elephant in the room is… When you are in your head and these things feel so real there is no separation between oneself and the perceptions which may mean that they think their view is a consensus of collective reality for society… An example again of that could be something like extreme fear of not succeeding or being good enough, A person might claim well everyone fears not being able to make it, survive, succeed etc… A perception that is illusive but can’t even be seen through so long as a person is not able to get out of their head and see the ways they deceive themselves.

Finally the most important thing is running from a persons own mind, we cannot absolve and see through any painful things if we avoid and distract ourselves from these parts of the psyche and do nothing to move into it and see it through… Whatever it is no matter what the scale it is able to be healed, its not even that something needs to be healed just that certain things need to be approached in the right way so the thoughts and beliefs about them can be dropped and let go. Then a person can move on with their lives and live without limitation again.