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Another 9/11 Conspiracy Video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change

note to mod: there should be a plus sign between loose and change for the link.

Just wondering how you guys feel about all this.

If indeed what happened on 9/11 was carried out by our own government(not saying that it was) but if it was, what could we do about it?

Anything?

I’m sure most of us can agree that the way things are done nowadays needs to be drastically changed, but how?

I don’t know about all that, or any of that other conspiracy crap, but I do know that the whole thing is a Hell of a lot dirtier than the administration is ever going to let on.

Why…why?..Why do people spend time on this crap???

This is Idiotic at best.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Why…why?..Why do people spend time on this crap???

This is Idiotic at best.[/quote]
Yeah…I’ve seen some pretty whacked out shit about this. Everything from Israelis to fucking ALIENS. OoooK.

I agree with the above that there is much more to the situation than the government will ever let on. I’ve been watching a lot of the websites claiming foul as well as a lot of the ones refuting the former’s claims. Ultimately, there are many very sketchy things that have happened in the past 6 years, and I don’t think anyone can say unequivocally that any group is vindicated from it.

I do believe the people have a right to know, government transparency to a certain degree is essential to a free and democratic state. Unfortunately, no one is fit to judge where the line is drawn for this information. Some things probably should not be known to some people, but if that hides the information from those who deserve it then who’s interests are more important?

I think we all know some of the more obvious lies that have been given to us, like the Al-Qaeda/Iraq connection, as well as some election issues.

I suppose we can hope that justice will prevail and that the guilty will be punished, yet there is no gaurantee. If the people do not call for justice, regardless of who is to blame, then justice will not be done. Yet how are the people to act when the target of their rage cannot be identified?

I might have gotten a little off track, but the lack of information available to the public both angers and saddens me. Too many people don’t care, but will be content to accept as long as they can continue their daily lives. Yet who’s to say that they are even in the wrong?

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Why…why?..Why do people spend time on this crap???

This is Idiotic at best.[/quote]

But it… it’s a video. It must be real. I mean sure you have to ignore physics and common sense. but… it makes you think

or not

I’ve researched on 9/11 conspiracy theories and I myself have found some things suspicious like the collapse of World Trade Center 7, no debris or remains of people found at the site where the plane crashed into the field.

Some things seem odd but then again the governments story has just as many facts or more then the conspiracy theories.

[quote]alocubano1110 wrote:
I’ve researched on 9/11 conspiracy theories and I myself have found some things suspicious like the collapse of World Trade Center 7, no debris or remains of people found at the site where the plane crashed into the field.

Some things seem odd but then again the governments story has just as many facts or more then the conspiracy theories.[/quote]

Do you believe the fact that everything got “vaporized”?

no i think it’s bullshit, has any other plane vaporized before? nope. you see wings large chunks of debris. but who knows there’s probably not enough evidence.

[quote]StevenF wrote:

Just wondering how you guys feel about all this. [/quote]

If you truly want to know, do a search and read the other 459 conspiracy theory posts regarding 9-11 that had a ‘video’ or an article.

Seriously. It’s garbage.

Anything outside of the government’s official version is garbage.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
StevenF wrote:

Just wondering how you guys feel about all this.

If you truly want to know, do a search and read the other 459 conspiracy theory posts regarding 9-11 that had a ‘video’ or an article.

Seriously. It’s garbage.[/quote]

I’m skeptical of it all, really, the government’s truth and other sources (such as this video). It just makes me ask questions when there are all these people with different versions of what they saw versus what we were told they saw. Then when anyone does raise questions, they’re instantly shot down as “garbage”. Kinda makes one wonder, ya know what I mean?

“Agents in Minneapolis became so frustrated by roadblocks erected by supervisors in Washington [before 9/11] they began to joke that FBI headquarters was becoming an “unwitting accomplice” to Osama bin Laden’s efforts to attack the United States”
~Coleen Rowley, CIA

Coleen Rowley’s Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller
http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,249997,00.html

Who has been the biggest beneficiary from 9/11?

Former Bush aide: US plotted Iraq invasion long before 9/11
11 January 2004
GEORGE Bush’s former treasury secretary Paul O’Neill has revealed that the President took office in January 2001 fully intending to invade Iraq and desperate to find an excuse for pre-emptive war against Saddam Hussein.

O’Neill’s claims tally with long-running investigations by the Sunday Herald which have shown how the Bush cabinet planned a pre-meditated attack on Iraq in order to “regime change” Saddam long before the neoconservative Republicans took power.
http://www.sundayherald.com/39221

And just how would they have justified invading Afghanistan/Iraq without 9/11?

War not realistic option before 9/11
USA TODAY
3/24/2004
Democrats and Republicans alike told a bipartisan commission Tuesday that neither U.S. nor world opinion would have stood for such aggression before the fall of 2001. It was only after the Sept. 11 attacks that public opinion here and abroad changed enough to make an invasion politically possible
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm

“Frontline” documentary makes case that Cheney used 9/11 to go to war
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/television/2003072094_cheney20.html

Why at a time when warnings were abound and the President was receiving memos titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike”, did we suddenly implement in MAY of 2001 a “Visa Express” program only for Saudis?

911 Panel: FAA Got 52 Warnings in 6 Mos
http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=486644

Classified 9/11 Report Exposes Multiple Attack Warnings
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/8891

Visa Express
The U.S. introduced the Visa Express program in May of 2001.
The Visa Express program was a U.S. State Department program that allowed residents of Saudi Arabia to enter the U.S. without proving their identities.

A senior State Department official described the program as “an open-door policy for terrorists.” No other country had this system to facilitate easy entry into the country.

Five of the 9/11 hijackers used this method to gain entry in the U.S., including Khalid al-Mihdhar, Abdulaziz al-Omari, Salem al-Hazmi, Saeed al-Ghamdi, and Fayez Banihammad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Express

While America was “under attack” how did the Secret Service know Bush was safe in a classroom when it was publicly disclosed beforehand where he was going to be?

The Day Before Everything Changed, President Bush Touched Locals’ Lives
The Sarasota Herald-Tribune
Across Sarasota Bay, at Booker Elementary, Principal Gwendolyn Tose-Rigell watched as Secret Service agents “gently took over” her campus the morning of Sept. 6.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/sarasotaheraldtribune091002.html

Why the hell would Bush OPPOSE an investigation into 9/11?

Bush Opposes 9/11 Query Panel
(CBS) President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept 11.

and then fund it with $3 million in chump change? BTW, for perspective the PODIUM for his “coronation” cost $2.5 million – and the Clinton investigation around $40 million.

911 Commission Funding Woes
TIME
Mar. 26, 2003
Is the Bush White House trying to put the brakes on the congressional panel created last fall to investigate 9-11 attacks? Sources tell TIME that the White House brushed off a request quietly made last week by the 9-11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean, the Republican former governor of New Jersey, to boost his budget by $11 million.

The panel has until the end of May 2004 to complete its work, but it will spend the $3 million it was originally allotted by around August 2003 - if it doesn’t get the supplement.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html

Before 9/11, Bush’s approval was sinking fast – do you really think Bush was overly troubled by 9/11?

Squandering the trauma of September 11
March 11, 2004
The Guardian
“Lucky me, I hit the trifecta,” said George Bush in the immediate aftermath of September 11, according to his budget director. War, recession and national emergency liberated him to soar in the political stratosphere.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1166773,00.html

How about the defense industry?

Windfalls of War
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro

Hell, Bin Laden helped Bush get reelected to a second term. Why would he ever want to catch him?
Report: Bush says bin Laden helped in election
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11604530/

You can see what a horrible fuckin’ tragedy 9/11 has been for Bush and his crew – why would anybody be suspicious?
Cheney’s Halliburton stock options rose 3,281% last year, senator finds
http://www.visioncircle.org/archive/004855.html

“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way.”
~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

[quote]StevenF wrote:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change

note to mod: there should be a plus sign between loose and change for the link.

Just wondering how you guys feel about all this.

If indeed what happened on 9/11 was carried out by our own government(not saying that it was) but if it was, what could we do about it?

Anything?

I’m sure most of us can agree that the way things are done nowadays needs to be drastically changed, but how? [/quote]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1506026976066602012&q=loose+screw

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1704985757029288892&q=screw+loose+change

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8331615143873106815&q=screw+loose+change

[quote]alocubano1110 wrote:
… no debris or remains of people found at the site where the plane crashed into the field.

…[/quote]

What are you talking about? They found the bodies and plane debris.

Anyone that claims otherwise is a liar.

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
“Agents in Minneapolis became so frustrated by roadblocks erected by supervisors in Washington [before 9/11] they began to joke that FBI headquarters was becoming an “unwitting accomplice” to Osama bin Laden’s efforts to attack the United States”
~Coleen Rowley, CIA

Coleen Rowley’s Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller
http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,249997,00.html

Who has been the biggest beneficiary from 9/11?

Former Bush aide: US plotted Iraq invasion long before 9/11
11 January 2004
GEORGE Bush’s former treasury secretary Paul O’Neill has revealed that the President took office in January 2001 fully intending to invade Iraq and desperate to find an excuse for pre-emptive war against Saddam Hussein.

O’Neill’s claims tally with long-running investigations by the Sunday Herald which have shown how the Bush cabinet planned a pre-meditated attack on Iraq in order to “regime change” Saddam long before the neoconservative Republicans took power.
http://www.sundayherald.com/39221

And just how would they have justified invading Afghanistan/Iraq without 9/11?

War not realistic option before 9/11
USA TODAY
3/24/2004
Democrats and Republicans alike told a bipartisan commission Tuesday that neither U.S. nor world opinion would have stood for such aggression before the fall of 2001. It was only after the Sept. 11 attacks that public opinion here and abroad changed enough to make an invasion politically possible
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm

“Frontline” documentary makes case that Cheney used 9/11 to go to war
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/television/2003072094_cheney20.html

Why at a time when warnings were abound and the President was receiving memos titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike”, did we suddenly implement in MAY of 2001 a “Visa Express” program only for Saudis?

911 Panel: FAA Got 52 Warnings in 6 Mos
http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=486644

Classified 9/11 Report Exposes Multiple Attack Warnings
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/8891

Visa Express
The U.S. introduced the Visa Express program in May of 2001.
The Visa Express program was a U.S. State Department program that allowed residents of Saudi Arabia to enter the U.S. without proving their identities.

A senior State Department official described the program as “an open-door policy for terrorists.” No other country had this system to facilitate easy entry into the country.

Five of the 9/11 hijackers used this method to gain entry in the U.S., including Khalid al-Mihdhar, Abdulaziz al-Omari, Salem al-Hazmi, Saeed al-Ghamdi, and Fayez Banihammad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Express

While America was “under attack” how did the Secret Service know Bush was safe in a classroom when it was publicly disclosed beforehand where he was going to be?

The Day Before Everything Changed, President Bush Touched Locals’ Lives
The Sarasota Herald-Tribune
Across Sarasota Bay, at Booker Elementary, Principal Gwendolyn Tose-Rigell watched as Secret Service agents “gently took over” her campus the morning of Sept. 6.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/sarasotaheraldtribune091002.html

Why the hell would Bush OPPOSE an investigation into 9/11?

Bush Opposes 9/11 Query Panel
(CBS) President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept 11.

and then fund it with $3 million in chump change? BTW, for perspective the PODIUM for his “coronation” cost $2.5 million – and the Clinton investigation around $40 million.

911 Commission Funding Woes
TIME
Mar. 26, 2003
Is the Bush White House trying to put the brakes on the congressional panel created last fall to investigate 9-11 attacks? Sources tell TIME that the White House brushed off a request quietly made last week by the 9-11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean, the Republican former governor of New Jersey, to boost his budget by $11 million.

The panel has until the end of May 2004 to complete its work, but it will spend the $3 million it was originally allotted by around August 2003 - if it doesn’t get the supplement.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html

Before 9/11, Bush’s approval was sinking fast – do you really think Bush was overly troubled by 9/11?

Squandering the trauma of September 11
March 11, 2004
The Guardian
“Lucky me, I hit the trifecta,” said George Bush in the immediate aftermath of September 11, according to his budget director. War, recession and national emergency liberated him to soar in the political stratosphere.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1166773,00.html

How about the defense industry?

Windfalls of War
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro

Hell, Bin Laden helped Bush get reelected to a second term. Why would he ever want to catch him?
Report: Bush says bin Laden helped in election
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11604530/

You can see what a horrible fuckin’ tragedy 9/11 has been for Bush and his crew – why would anybody be suspicious?
Cheney’s Halliburton stock options rose 3,281% last year, senator finds
http://www.visioncircle.org/archive/004855.html

“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way.”
~ Franklin D. Roosevelt
[/quote]

Cricket, cricket, cricket…

[quote]metalsluggx wrote:

Cricket, cricket, cricket…
[/quote]

Once people realize things like, we implemented a program called “Visa Express” strictly for Saudi nationals at the HEIGHT of a terrorist red alert in May of 2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Express

…or that George Bush, arguably the least conservative President in history, allocated just $3 million dollars to investigate the worst act of terrorism on American soil – they tend to become somewhat speechless.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html

("$3 million" is a number you would expect to hear in response to one of those trivia questions on a restaurant placemat, like “What is the White House’s annual toilet paper budget?”)

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
metalsluggx wrote:

Cricket, cricket, cricket…

Once people realize things like, we implemented a program called “Visa Express” strictly for Saudi nationals at the HEIGHT of a terrorist red alert in May of 2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Express

…or that George Bush, arguably the least conservative President in history, allocated just $3 million dollars to investigate the worst act of terrorism on American soil – they tend to become somewhat speechless.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html

("$3 million" is a number you would expect to hear in response to one of those trivia questions on a restaurant placemat, like “What is the White House’s annual toilet paper budget?”)
[/quote]

HEY! I’m not going to respond to any one of those statements, ignorance UP!