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Another 1st Cycle Advice Thread

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#1

So, after some research and deciding on my goals, I have come up with the following cycle. I have a couple questions/concerns about it that I will post following the cycle.

Week 1
Test E 750 mg
Tren 100 mgs 3xWeek
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 2,3,4
Test E 500 mg
Tren 75 mgs 3xWeek
Anavar 25 mg/day
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 5-8
Test Prop 75 mg every other day
Tren 75 mgs 3xWeek
Anavar 25 mgs/day
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 9-14
HCG 500 IUs twice weekly
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 120 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 15
Day 1 Clomid 200 mgs
Day 2 Clomid 180 mgs
Day 3 Clomid 160 mgs
Day 4 Clomid 140 mgs
Day 5 Clomid 120 mgs
Day 6 Clomid 100 mgs
Day 7 Clomid 80 mgs

Weeks 16-18
Clomid 40 mgs/day

First, is this too much and/or too many things going on at once for a first time? If not, is 8 weeks too long to be using Tren the first time? Everything I read said it is toxic as hell, and 8 weeks would be the max one should be on it. Also, I was looking at Dianabol instead of Anavar, but D-Bol appears to be more of a pure mass drug instead of promoting lean mass. Am I right in using Anavar if I hope to gain, and keep, about 15-20 pounds of LBM with this?

Any and all comments welcome. Thanks.

#2

Looks like you have definately done your research, good work. I in no way can critique your cycle but what I do know is that D-bol and Anavar are really quite different as anavar is known for its strength gains and is usually put with something else for mass… but take what I say with a grain of salt. Some of the veterans on here will give you some good feedback. Goodluck and let us know how it goes!!

#3

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#4

First things first this cycle definitely is very well researched for a first timer and will net you quite a few pounds with hardly any sides. Good job…now on with the salt…

I am with my buddy bushboy on his thoughts on pct and clomid being used either with nolva at the same time as clomid or cycling them 2 on one than switching to the other.

As far as the tren goes I would have to say 75mg eod is pretty good for a first cycle. but I would also say to wait till half way trough week 2 or until week 3 to start up the tren/anavar since both are quick to be your system and active. How ever, the test you chose will take 2-3 weeks to be at a level high enough to do its job.

Also the compounds you chose will have awesome synergy and there is no need to ad dbol if this is a lean mass cycle.

The clen is one that I do believe has to be slowly increased as you take before you jump to 120mcg ed. Hope fully others will help you out with that since I stick to ECA stacks and now SPIKE for my stimulants.

Let P22, MikeK and a few other give you there more knowledgeable opinions on this cycle.
Get Big
DA

#5

Yeah, with the Test E, I think I may be stopping too early with that? After four weeks, won’t it just be kicking in? I need some opinions on that. I also think that waiting until week 2 for the tren is probably a good idea. At 75mgs every other day, I think that will give me a good kick. Also on the PCT, I will definetly give the rotating clomid/nolva a shot. I don’t need to be more moody than I already am.

Thanks for info guys keep it coming.

#6

OK, revisions. HCG has been changed to 1000 IUs every two weeks, starting at week 4. Tren has been altered slightly as well, as has PCT. Clenbuterol has been changed to a gradual increase of several weeks.

Test E 750 mg
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 2,3,4
Test E 500 mg
Tren 100 mgs 3xWeek
Anavar 25 mg/day
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 5-8
Test Prop 100 mg every other day
Tren 75 mgs every other day
Anavar 25 mgs/day
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 4,6,8,10,12,14
HCG 500 IUs 2 times a week

Weeks 9
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 60 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 10
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 80 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs.day

Week 11
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 100 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Weeks12, 13, 14
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 120 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 15
Day 1 Clomid 200 mgs
Day 2 Clomid 180 mgs
Day 3 Clomid 160 mgs
Day 4 Clomid 140 mgs
Day 5 Clomid 120 mgs
Day 6 Clomid 100 mgs
Day 7 Clomid 80 mgs

Week 16
Clomid 40 mgs/day

Week 17
Nolva 40 mgs/day

Week 18
Clomid 40 mgs/day

How is that looking?

#7

Clen should not be used for more than 2 weeks at a time. Receptor down regulation occurs. I recomend for safety that you reconsider it’s use. Using it to help get that extra edge while dieting for a show is one thing, but in this application, it is a waste of your time and money.

#8

I agree w/ prisoner on the clen duration…as for your cycle:
With the way you have things laid out, you’d be on a c17aa steroid for weeks 2-14…that’s a little extreme imo, and I’m one of the biggest advocates of running higher dose orals for longer durations.
As you suspected, why run enanthate for 4 weeks and then switch to propionate the remaining four weeks of the injectables?
My suggestion is to run 500mg test enan for weeks 2-12 (1000mg frontload week 1) 150mg test prop eod weeks 13,14.
Run the tren acetate the first 4 weeks and the last 4 weeks.
run the anavar for weeks5-8 and the winstrol weeks 9-14.
Your hcg protocol should technically be done every week following week 3 btw.
MK

#9

Ok, final draft hopefully. I got rid of anavar and clen, and made the reccomended changes to the test E dosing. Last questions: is my PCT sufficient and is once a week enough to be injecting the Test E, or should I do that twice a week?

Week 1
Test E 1000 mg
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 2,3,4
Test E 500 mg
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 3-14
HCG 500 IUs 2 times a week

Weeks 5-8
Test E 500 mgs
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Week 9
Test E 500 mgs
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 10
Test E 500 mgs
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs.day

Week 11
Test E 500 mgs
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 12
Test E 500 mgs
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Weeks 13, 14
Test Prop 150 mgs EOD
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 15
Day 1 Clomid 300 mgs
Day 2 Clomid 180 mgs
Day 3 Clomid 160 mgs
Day 4 Clomid 140 mgs
Day 5 Clomid 120 mgs
Day 6 Clomid 100 mgs
Day 7 Clomid 80 mgs

Week 16
Clomid 40 mgs/day

Week 17
Nolva 40 mgs/day

Week 18
Clomid 40 mgs/day

Thanks again.