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Another 1st Cycle Advice Thread

So, after some research and deciding on my goals, I have come up with the following cycle. I have a couple questions/concerns about it that I will post following the cycle.

Week 1
Test E 750 mg
Tren 100 mgs 3xWeek
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 2,3,4
Test E 500 mg
Tren 75 mgs 3xWeek
Anavar 25 mg/day
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 5-8
Test Prop 75 mg every other day
Tren 75 mgs 3xWeek
Anavar 25 mgs/day
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 9-14
HCG 500 IUs twice weekly
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 120 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 15
Day 1 Clomid 200 mgs
Day 2 Clomid 180 mgs
Day 3 Clomid 160 mgs
Day 4 Clomid 140 mgs
Day 5 Clomid 120 mgs
Day 6 Clomid 100 mgs
Day 7 Clomid 80 mgs

Weeks 16-18
Clomid 40 mgs/day

First, is this too much and/or too many things going on at once for a first time? If not, is 8 weeks too long to be using Tren the first time? Everything I read said it is toxic as hell, and 8 weeks would be the max one should be on it. Also, I was looking at Dianabol instead of Anavar, but D-Bol appears to be more of a pure mass drug instead of promoting lean mass. Am I right in using Anavar if I hope to gain, and keep, about 15-20 pounds of LBM with this?

Any and all comments welcome. Thanks.

Looks like you have definately done your research, good work. I in no way can critique your cycle but what I do know is that D-bol and Anavar are really quite different as anavar is known for its strength gains and is usually put with something else for mass… but take what I say with a grain of salt. Some of the veterans on here will give you some good feedback. Goodluck and let us know how it goes!!

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First things first this cycle definitely is very well researched for a first timer and will net you quite a few pounds with hardly any sides. Good job…now on with the salt…

I am with my buddy bushboy on his thoughts on pct and clomid being used either with nolva at the same time as clomid or cycling them 2 on one than switching to the other.

As far as the tren goes I would have to say 75mg eod is pretty good for a first cycle. but I would also say to wait till half way trough week 2 or until week 3 to start up the tren/anavar since both are quick to be your system and active. How ever, the test you chose will take 2-3 weeks to be at a level high enough to do its job.

Also the compounds you chose will have awesome synergy and there is no need to ad dbol if this is a lean mass cycle.

The clen is one that I do believe has to be slowly increased as you take before you jump to 120mcg ed. Hope fully others will help you out with that since I stick to ECA stacks and now SPIKE for my stimulants.

Let P22, MikeK and a few other give you there more knowledgeable opinions on this cycle.
Get Big
DA

Yeah, with the Test E, I think I may be stopping too early with that? After four weeks, won’t it just be kicking in? I need some opinions on that. I also think that waiting until week 2 for the tren is probably a good idea. At 75mgs every other day, I think that will give me a good kick. Also on the PCT, I will definetly give the rotating clomid/nolva a shot. I don’t need to be more moody than I already am.

Thanks for info guys keep it coming.

OK, revisions. HCG has been changed to 1000 IUs every two weeks, starting at week 4. Tren has been altered slightly as well, as has PCT. Clenbuterol has been changed to a gradual increase of several weeks.

Test E 750 mg
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 2,3,4
Test E 500 mg
Tren 100 mgs 3xWeek
Anavar 25 mg/day
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 5-8
Test Prop 100 mg every other day
Tren 75 mgs every other day
Anavar 25 mgs/day
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 4,6,8,10,12,14
HCG 500 IUs 2 times a week

Weeks 9
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 60 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 10
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 80 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs.day

Week 11
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 100 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Weeks12, 13, 14
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Clen 120 mcgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 15
Day 1 Clomid 200 mgs
Day 2 Clomid 180 mgs
Day 3 Clomid 160 mgs
Day 4 Clomid 140 mgs
Day 5 Clomid 120 mgs
Day 6 Clomid 100 mgs
Day 7 Clomid 80 mgs

Week 16
Clomid 40 mgs/day

Week 17
Nolva 40 mgs/day

Week 18
Clomid 40 mgs/day

How is that looking?

Clen should not be used for more than 2 weeks at a time. Receptor down regulation occurs. I recomend for safety that you reconsider it’s use. Using it to help get that extra edge while dieting for a show is one thing, but in this application, it is a waste of your time and money.

I agree w/ prisoner on the clen duration…as for your cycle:
With the way you have things laid out, you’d be on a c17aa steroid for weeks 2-14…that’s a little extreme imo, and I’m one of the biggest advocates of running higher dose orals for longer durations.
As you suspected, why run enanthate for 4 weeks and then switch to propionate the remaining four weeks of the injectables?
My suggestion is to run 500mg test enan for weeks 2-12 (1000mg frontload week 1) 150mg test prop eod weeks 13,14.
Run the tren acetate the first 4 weeks and the last 4 weeks.
run the anavar for weeks5-8 and the winstrol weeks 9-14.
Your hcg protocol should technically be done every week following week 3 btw.
MK

Ok, final draft hopefully. I got rid of anavar and clen, and made the reccomended changes to the test E dosing. Last questions: is my PCT sufficient and is once a week enough to be injecting the Test E, or should I do that twice a week?

Week 1
Test E 1000 mg
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 2,3,4
Test E 500 mg
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Weeks 3-14
HCG 500 IUs 2 times a week

Weeks 5-8
Test E 500 mgs
Femara 2.5 mgs EOD

Week 9
Test E 500 mgs
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 10
Test E 500 mgs
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Nolva 20 mgs.day

Week 11
Test E 500 mgs
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 12
Test E 500 mgs
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Weeks 13, 14
Test Prop 150 mgs EOD
Winstrol 50 mgs/day
Tren 75 mgs EOD
Nolva 20 mgs/day

Week 15
Day 1 Clomid 300 mgs
Day 2 Clomid 180 mgs
Day 3 Clomid 160 mgs
Day 4 Clomid 140 mgs
Day 5 Clomid 120 mgs
Day 6 Clomid 100 mgs
Day 7 Clomid 80 mgs

Week 16
Clomid 40 mgs/day

Week 17
Nolva 40 mgs/day

Week 18
Clomid 40 mgs/day

Thanks again.