[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
You think so? I didn’t see it that way.
Wiedman took Silva down quickly into the 1st round and demonstrated that he could effectively GNP Silva there, was not going to be easily submitted and could even threaten Anderson with submissions of his own. At that point I think Silva realized that he absolutely did not want to be on the ground with Chris. So, he began goading Chris into a striking match or attempting takedowns when and where Anderson could see them coming in an attempt to demoralize and frustrate Wiedman. We’ve all seen him do this before and in every other case it has opened his opponents up to counter striking opportunities which have allowed Silva to regain control of the fight. This time though his complete disregard for Chris’s striking caught up with him (perhaps with some help from Father Time) and he wound up paying the price for his hubris.[/quote]
sorry to get off topic but I was wondering what you think about traditional martial arts re-emergence in the ufc in the last few years. especially the kicks like barboza’s on terry etim. Also what do you reckon about karate being the best base for MMA wrestling, gsp says thats why his shoot for the takedown is so good, because of his karate background.[/quote]
I think that just like in so many cases before that when someone comes along with the ability or know how to effectively utilize a skill set that people are not used to dealing with that this “new” skill set will seem like the “missing/magical” piece of the puzzle that everyone else will be forced to train in or at least train to deal with.
-It started with the Gracies highlighting that the vast majority of Martial Artists/fighters were woefully inadequate in ground fighting. As a result everyone flocked to train BJJ/GJJ thinking that it was the “ultimate system”.
-Next came the wrestlers like Mark Coleman and Mark Kerr who demonstrated the importance of wrestling and being able to not only takedown your opponent, but once you got them there you had to be able to keep them there. They also demonstrated how effective striking could be on the ground and that you in fact didn’t need the greatest submission game in the world to win on the ground. So everyone, including many BJJ/GJJ guys started training with wrestlers.
-Next came the kick boxers like Maurice Smith and CroCop who reminded everyone that while taking the fight to the ground was an effective gameplan, all MMA fights begin standing and if a good striker had enough takedown defense skills to keep the fight standing or to be able to get back to their feet effectively that they could KO a good grappler. So, everyone (including the open minded grapplers) began to really develop their striking skills (or develop them to a higher level
-Lately we’ve seen some guys starting to successfully implement some more traditional MA skill sets and/or tactics (Machida being the most note able example). So, you might see a slight upswing in terms of fighters bringing in high level TMA guys (like Kyokushin or Shotokan) to help them better understand or even implement such tactics.
In short, MMA is a constantly evolving sport, not a stagnant one. So different skill sets or “styles” may seem to dominate at one point along it’s history, but will most likely be overshadowed or even neglected at other times.
In regards to GSP’s comment… I think it’s fair to say that GSP (that includes his athletic talent, timing, work ethic, drive, determination, and intelligence), and his coaches (everyone from Jackson to the US National wrestling team) have much more to do with his wrestling proficiency than his Karate background. What Karate did probably give him though, which I think has helped him, is an appreciation for the benefits of repetition.
