[quote]Spry wrote:
$1200 to people who happen to breed?
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It’s actually 5 grand now. Sadly, the least intelligent, most unproductive members of society are those who are most likely to be influenced.
[quote]AndyG wrote:
Sifu, you missed my point. I’m not interested in what the article said. Show me the bill which proposes this law. Like I said I can’t see it getting through the Senate.
I also enjoyed the tenuous(at best) link between your story about police and the government creating a situation where commoners are inferior to police.
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You didn’t show that the situation existed.
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You didn’t link that situation with the story. No other country has bad cops? Geez you try and draw a long bow sometimes. Next we’ll be hearing about Rod Ansell getting murdered by the police for having guns. Never mind the fact that he was shooting at them.[/quote]
I don’t think the bill has been finalized yet. If they can convince the coalition to support it, the greens votes won’t be necessary. Those who oppose the filter will probably be accused of supporting pedophiles, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the coalition is eventually convinced to vote in favor.
While Sifu’s post was a bit over the top, he does have a point that the rights of individuals are not respected enough in this country.
The censorship is total crap if you ask me. It’s as dumb as the law in Texas that people cannot have sex toys(something along those lines). This is obviously directed at child pornography and they are going the wrong way about it. You just shouldn’t obstruct a person’s freedom
While I don’t follow everything Rudd has been doing, I do like some of the changes he made and fresh ideas he brings. Most Australians are just too damn short sighted to see otherwise and cannot do things themselves and must rely on the government to fix their problems.
The baby bonus is stupid, and like stated before, it influences the wrong sort of people to breed. Go to any low class suburb and you will see pregnant women everywhere.
I don’t see how Cash grants solve anything.
They’re not perfect but there is always the hope that the parents who need the money will spend it wisely.
I’ve recently heard about this law. What type of sites will they be banning?
Its of course utter b.s. I can’t imagine anyone who thinks this is a good idea.
And of course Indonesia couldn’t invade us. They have the man power but not the ships, planes etc. I do agree that us Australians are complacent about our security (the school of thought generally is 'America will save us")
but I also think this is because no country that is a possible enemy could invade us even if they wanted to.
Besides, you Americans would surely save us, if only by telling any invading country to back down. Invasion means total war, and no country can realistically fight anything but a gorilla war against the U.S.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Australia has a very small army to defend a vast area that is sparsely inhabited and full of resources. Some of your neighbors have massive populations and a dire need for Lebensraum.
But I’ll get back to the subject of government censorship of the web. It is part of the trend in the British commonwealth to move to ever greater levels of authoritarian government that started in 1997 when Britain and Australia implemented strict gun control. Since then they have been constantly incrementing into a police state.
The responses we see are typically complacent. ie “You cant technically do it”. You shouldn’t count upon today’s technical limitations to protect you in the future. Because what is technically unfeasible today could be quite doable in the future with better technology.
It is worrying to see freedom around the world under attack and so many are willing to just go along with it. [/quote]
Don’t wish to make enemies, what with this being my second post and everything. But, don’t you think that if any country tried to invade Australia, it wouldn’t just be the Australian forces their up against? I’m pretty sure us Brits would back them up, as would most other Commonwealth Countries.
There was good reason why Britain implemented strong gun rules. See the Dunblane massacre. I also fail to see how carrying a gun makes you anymore of a free man than somebody who does not.
[quote]aussie101 wrote:
Invasion means total war, and no country can realistically fight anything but a gorilla war against the U.S.[/quote]
True enough. God save us if all out war ever happens again in this post-nuke world… WTF would be left?
[quote]aussie101 wrote:
I’ve recently heard about this law. What type of sites will they be banning?
Its of course utter b.s. I can’t imagine anyone who thinks this is a good idea.
And of course Indonesia couldn’t invade us. They have the man power but not the ships, planes etc. I do agree that us Australians are complacent about our security (the school of thought generally is 'America will save us")
but I also think this is because no country that is a possible enemy could invade us even if they wanted to.
Besides, you Americans would surely save us, if only by telling any invading country to back down. Invasion means total war, and no country can realistically fight anything but a gorilla war against the U.S.[/quote]
We can’t let Australians get hurt. Not until I have a chance to visit there and get my accent down, at least. Lol =D
America will save us?
We do happen to apart of the largest Commonwealth of States in the world, ya know?
Britain and Canada will help us out!
And aren’t we the USA’s sheriff down here in asia-pacific?
Or at least a deputy?
I jest! 
[quote]Taffy_Duck wrote:
I also fail to see how carrying a gun makes you anymore of a free man than somebody who does not.
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You fail to see it because either A) you have never carried a gun, B) you have never tasted actual freedom, or C) both.
“Pick up a rifle, a really good rifle, and if you know how to use it, you change instantly from a mouse to a man, from a peon to a caballero, and, most significantly, from a subject to a citizen.” --Jeff Cooper
[quote]aussie101 wrote:
no country can realistically fight anything but a gorilla war against the U.S.[/quote]
Baaaahahahahahahaha!!!
Dude. The word is guerrilla.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Taffy_Duck wrote:
I also fail to see how carrying a gun makes you anymore of a free man than somebody who does not.
You fail to see it because either A) you have never carried a gun, B) you have never tasted actual freedom, or C) both.
“Pick up a rifle, a really good rifle, and if you know how to use it, you change instantly from a mouse to a man, from a peon to a caballero, and, most significantly, from a subject to a citizen.” --Jeff Cooper[/quote]
Who the fuck is Jeff Cooper?
Here’s a quote from someone just as well known “Not being worried about getting shot makes me feel free”-me
[quote]AndyG wrote:
Sifu, you missed my point. I’m not interested in what the article said. Show me the bill which proposes this law. Like I said I can’t see it getting through the Senate.
I also enjoyed the tenuous(at best) link between your story about police and the government creating a situation where commoners are inferior to police. [/quote]
The Australian police are put up on a pedastool and told they are superior to everyone else because they can be trusted with firearms while ordinary citizens cannot. When you start telling cops they are an elite they start believing it and start acting like they are above the law. [quote]
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You didn’t show that the situation existed.
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You didn’t link that situation with the story. No other country has bad cops? Geez you try and draw a long bow sometimes. Next we’ll be hearing about Rod Ansell getting murdered by the police for having guns. Never mind the fact that he was shooting at them. [/quote]
Government officials abusing their power is a story that is at least as old as the Bible. But you Australians come on this board and constantly act like governmental abuse of power could never happen there or here. Because of that you act like Americans are stupid buggers for thinking that in this day and age the right to keep and bear arms is necessary to protect the people from the government.
Yet in your own country when you see the police starting to run wild you minimize it as something that just happens and is no big deal.
[quote]Taffy_Duck wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Australia has a very small army to defend a vast area that is sparsely inhabited and full of resources. Some of your neighbors have massive populations and a dire need for Lebensraum.
But I’ll get back to the subject of government censorship of the web. It is part of the trend in the British commonwealth to move to ever greater levels of authoritarian government that started in 1997 when Britain and Australia implemented strict gun control. Since then they have been constantly incrementing into a police state.
The responses we see are typically complacent. ie “You cant technically do it”. You shouldn’t count upon today’s technical limitations to protect you in the future. Because what is technically unfeasible today could be quite doable in the future with better technology.
It is worrying to see freedom around the world under attack and so many are willing to just go along with it.
Don’t wish to make enemies, what with this being my second post and everything. But, don’t you think that if any country tried to invade Australia, it wouldn’t just be the Australian forces their up against? I’m pretty sure us Brits would back them up, as would most other Commonwealth Countries. [/quote]
I’m fairly thick skinned so you don’t need to worry about offending me. This board can get fairly raw so don’t sweat it.
It is not wise to rely completely upon the generosity of others for your own security, especially when you show them that you are not willing to do much about it yourself.
The Australians should not take it for granted that the US or Britain will be able to defend them either. There could be a dramatic upheaval that could change the status quo. ie A global pandemic could shatter the world economy or maybe a terrorist nuclear attack. They should not count on the US or UK will be there.
Dunblane was not a reason, Dunblane was an excuse. Dunblane was an excuse for the liberals to make a power grab and they took it. Since then they have aggressively moved to turn the country into a police state. Just look at how much the legal traditions that have been built over hundreds of years have been trashed in the last 11 years with more to come.
Just remember they didn’t take away rights then say we now need to take away your guns. They took away the guns first then they started taking away rights. The government has been constantly tightening the screws since Dunblane and there is no end in sight.
The 1997 gun control act has not succeeded in doing anything positive.
I really fail to see the dire need to own a gun…its got nothing to do with freedom either, I don’t buy that bullshit.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
“Pick up a rifle, a really good rifle, and if you know how to use it, you change instantly from a mouse to a man, from a peon to a caballero, and, most significantly, from a subject to a citizen.” --Jeff Cooper[/quote]
“Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons” Jeff Cooper.
[quote]hardgnr wrote:
I really fail to see the dire need to own a gun…its got nothing to do with freedom either, I don’t buy that bullshit.[/quote]
Do you really find it that difficult to imagine a situation in the future where having a well armed government and an unarmed populace might not be a good thing?
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
“Pick up a rifle, a really good rifle, and if you know how to use it, you change instantly from a mouse to a man, from a peon to a caballero, and, most significantly, from a subject to a citizen.” --Jeff Cooper
“Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons” Jeff Cooper.
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Seriously man, what is wrong with your countrymen? I’m happy to see at least one of you are intact.
mike
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
“Pick up a rifle, a really good rifle, and if you know how to use it, you change instantly from a mouse to a man, from a peon to a caballero, and, most significantly, from a subject to a citizen.” --Jeff Cooper
“Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons” Jeff Cooper.
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Bravo, sir. Wish there were more Aussies like you. Might want to enlighten your countrymen, particularly AndyG over there. He seems still to be in the mud.
[quote]hardgnr wrote:
I really fail to see the dire need to own a gun…its got nothing to do with freedom either, I don’t buy that bullshit.[/quote]
That’s because you’ve never been shot at or had gangsters shooting at other people near you. You feel much better when you’re armed when that happens.