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Anavar with Test?

Hey guys, I have a question… If I were to run Anavar for 8 weeks with Test Cyp 500mg running at 12 weeks, wouldn’t the general effect of Anavar lower the overall effect of the Test Cyp? Is the mild effect of Anavar even worth running with Test, supposing that Anavar suppresses Test?

Lets say the above is true, would it be wise to Test Cyp at 750 mg or higher to decrease any “lost” Test from the use of Anavar?

This is just a general question, after reading some peoples results with Anavar only cycles and their labs decreasing Test levels for some people into the 100’s.

That’s free test. Anavar will not affect injected test n… your nuts are already shut off

Lol. Anavar will not affect free test or total test a long as it is exogenous. Seriously this is basic shit I think you should know before you even start pinning yourself.

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Lol. Anavar will not affect free test or total test a long as it is exogenous. Seriously this is basic shit I think you should know before you even start pinning yourself.[/quote]

This.

Thanks fellas, as for the side show, not needed. I am not familiar with Anavar or many orals other than dbol, I have “pinned” with test many times with much success. At 6’2" 235 and 14% bf, I am pretty happy with how far I have come.

It was a basic question after reading a few things. I used to use this site a lot, then a bunch of people came in thinking they were bodybuildings holy grail, not understanding that they offer some of the worst and cookie cutter advice ever , now 5 years later, I try to give it another go with you guys, and it’s the same shit. That’s cool though, because I am not clear on the Anavar question, I shouldn’t pin, please explain how those go hand in hand? You seem overall, uneducated outside the world of roids, and that’s cool. Have fun at your low paying job pal.

Lol, I said nothing mean but obviously you got your feelings hurt, check your estrogen bro. I never said or acted like bb holy grail HAHA. That’s such a basic question, sorry I made you cry. Ill try to remember your sensative feelings in my future posts.

You jumping to conclusions that because I had a question that might seem obvious to you because you have knowledge of it, then your conclusion is that I shouldn’t pin, is what I call an asshole statement. Crying? No, just pissed off that I enjoy the articles this site has to offer, but the people writing the forums are “above everyone else”.

MAYBE I should’ve known, but I didn’t, I think it was a logical question. Do you know everything? Highly doubt it. Even in my career field basic things might need more reasoning or research, so you look and if you come up with questions you ask. Now I should get my E2 levels checked? Seriously? Good one…

I’m not continuing this stupid fucking conversation, I got the answer I wanted, the side show was pointless. I am once again done with T-Nation and the troop of bodybuilding and steroid gods that hide behind computers. I feel bad for the new guys that could really use some of your help, dick.

“Cookie Cutter”? Indeed this is some basic knowledge that at your “level” of experience you should already know. I cannot figure out what offended you in els’s post reply. It was really common knowledge and was delivered to the point. I can assure you someone else would have put it to you more bluntly but still with the same effect.

Running any oral for 8 weeks? Really?! Quite a few folks run orals for the first 4 weeks as a kicker to the Test, E, Cyp, or Prop. You’ve never heard this before? You came for advise. You got a little. Now there’s a little more. I personally wouldn’t run orals for over 4 weeks, but that’s me. It’s your body, your call. Just save yourself the headache and do your homework. Tempers get short because the same basic questions come up like yours, some basic advise (readily available via Google search) is given, and thread starters feelings get hurt.

I guess you can take what’s been given or move on to somewhere else. Either way, your response was, to put it bluntly again, douchey! Taking shots at someones’ level of intellect and financial status in the same post, when your original question was (bluntly again) just plain stupid if coming from a guy with so much “experience”. Your reply will not garner you much help around here, anywhere for that matter where these subjects are discussed. Perhaps you should try again in another 5 years.

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Al

Your original post puts in evidence your lack of understanding of how these drugs work, specifically, a confusion between Anavar’s capability to suppress the HPTA (which is what causes this “cancelation” effects you where talking about) and a possible negative interaction between Anavar and exogenous Testosterone, which does not exist. This lack of information puts into question your capability to use these drugs in a responsable manner, without taking unnecessary risks.

It is a generally accepted maxim (not just in this field but in life in general) that people who don’t know what they’re doing tend to fuck up.

And I rest my case, seriously, I don’t see why you are so upset. I answered the question you asked. I clearly stated this is something you SHOULD know before you start pinning. I never said not to pin, although you do seem a little uneducated. But frankly I don’t give a fuck about you or what happens so who am I to tell you what to do. It would behoove you to know these sorts of things so you can either take constructive criticism or be a little bitch about it, seriously, your moodiness is hysterical which leads me to believe you have some underlying issues.

LOL, you guys are like a bunch of school boys running to the aid of someone that can’t handle his own battle.

Catmal would only run anavar for 4 weeks, but says I have a lack of knowledge.

eaboadar you make sense. Yes, I did not distinguish between the two, that is rookie shit on my end. I get it, but to say I do not know what I’m doing with 3 cycles under my belt with zero sides and great gains and perfect blood work after all 3 cycles. I SIMPLY had a question, that now is answered, makes sense that this is something that does seem obvious. I am arguing the fact of how some of the people on the board go about handling information exchange. It’s bad form, so you give bad form to me, I will be an asshole back to you.

The point is, don’t say I shouldn’t pin because I did not know one thing, just like I am sure you all do not know everything. Get the fuck over it, you guys aren’t fucking saviors and I bet there are things I know that you do not know or might have questions on, I wouldn’t be like “oh ya dude you don’t know this one thing so don’t fuckin pin LOL” thats a douchy thing to say. Sorry that you guys don’t understand that, gonna go get my E2 levels checked now as eatliftsleep suggested! Later.

I can only imagine you guys coming to me for tax advice, like many others do and ask the same basic stupid fucking questions even though they are almost all answered and can be found on google, and me saying “this is basic fucking shit get the fuck out of here and research it, this is shit you should know before you earn and spend your money you idiot”. This is how I relate it. But I don’t do that, I simply give the answer, even to people at the gym whom don’t pay me. Because that’s how it should be done. You guys are hilarious, though, I will keep kicking around to see the absolute dickheadness that occurs here.

UGH! Again personal attacks.

Anavar, real Anavar, is actually pretty hard to find from a reliable source. Most who think they are getting real Var are in fact getting DBol, unless you are able to homebrew (not even sure if that’s possible). Either way, I’m definately not an expert on Var (never have run it). Other orals, i.e. DBol, Drol, are common/easy to get and I’ve got 10+ years of experience running these with Test E. They ARE liver toxic (as are all orals, 17a) so cycles of 4-6 weeks are recommended and proven to work while keeping sides to a minimum along with certain common sense precautions. Again, experience over an extended period of time!

As far as battle, who’s battle? You were given some sound advise. You chose to escalate the situation by your choice for verbage. You think it’s bad now, wait until Reed chimes in, if he chooses to even bother.

Good luck guy!

Once again, I did not say you shouldn’t pin, you incompetent moron.

You are comparing taxes to steroid use? Really? Ok fine, The question you asked is like me asking ? how many dependents should I claim if I have two kids??

Take into account the fact that many kids who have no business taking these drugs come here without having a reasonable knowledge base about their use (not saying you are one of them) and expect other members to automatically educate them on everything related to steroids and write their cycles for them. They usually ask questions that basic research would answer, are obstinate, and get very upset when corrected or advised not to use steroids. These are the same kids that later go and get themselves hurt and then blame it on the drugs they took rather than their own incompetence.

This situation frustrates other members and puts them on guard, in the ready to discourage any potential user who is suspected of being irresponsible, sometimes through harsh language. Is this an excuse for being offensive? Maybe not. But then again, you should see some of the kids who come here and the level of their ignorance and arrogance. Just some context.

[quote]eaboadar wrote:
Take into account the fact that many kids who have no business taking these drugs come here without having a reasonable knowledge base about their use (not saying you are one of them) and expect other members to automatically educate them on everything related to steroid and write their cycles for them. They usually ask questions that basic research would answer, are obstinate and get very upset when corrected or advised not to use steroids. These are the same kids that later go and get themselves hurt and then blame it on the drugs they took and not their own incompetence. This situation frustrates other members and puts them on guard, in the ready to discourage any potential user who is suspected of being irresponsible. Is this an excuse for being offensive? Maybe not. But then again, you should see some of the kids who come here and the level of their ignorance and arrogance. Just some context. [/quote]

Dude, you summed up this entire thread right there. As I read your post I just made tic-marks in my head. Threadstarter nailed every one of them! This is getting old.

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Al

This was a very entertaining read to start the day off. As someone who has received some “douchebaggy” responses to a uneducated question, I can say that response I got made me realize I had some further studying to do. I didnt take offense, I simply took action. And in the future, ince I haf a better basic knowledge, my remaining questions were answered swiftly and appropriately. You just have to stop. Being a bitch about it, take your dick and untuck it from between your legs.