Anavar for Midsection Fat?

Pharma / TRT
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Brook, see my revised post.
Wasn’t there a guy on T-Nation a couple of days ago, he just mentioned painful side effects with 2iu per day? I can’t rememeber the details.

I was thinking something like 1 iu pre bed, after morning shower and after lunch. All IM delivery.
If the OP really want to do AAS at the same time.
One test patch in the morning, it will give to normal T level during the day, nothing fancy, just being normal. 50mg test suspension @ 7pm, just after dinner, assuming that you train between 8pm-10pm. Cardio straight after weight trianing, 20-30min HIIT style (sexual intercourse prefered). Have a shower, shoot your GH and sleep. Additional Primobolan depot @ 400-700mg per week optional.

I think it is very very very important to avoid excessive training. Just do rehab stuff. If some random guy can gain LBM and lose fat mass with 200mg test or nandrolone per week, without training, without dieting. Then Perfect diet + high quality hormone therapy = rapid fatloss + healing. You can lose 1kg of fat mass per week easily.

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The recent post was from someone using 3 IU/day.

It is however also possible at 2 IU/day if used 7 days per week. It is considerably less likely (though still possible) at 2 IU/day 5 days per week.

Can’t give numerical figures on the likeliness.

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[quote]mephistopheles wrote:
Brook, see my revised post.
Wasn’t there a guy on T-Nation a couple of days ago, he just mentioned painful side effects with 2iu per day? I can’t rememeber the details.
[/quote]

The -guy- was “Albig”, and the post is:

http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/anyway_to_avoid_hgh_sides

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[quote]mephistopheles wrote:

I was thinking something like 1 iu pre bed, after morning shower and after lunch. All IM delivery. [/quote]

Excuse my curiosity again, M.

Why are you recommending 3 doses including nocturnal? What is the advantage of this?

As for IM, I already have purple quads from hitting nerves and such so not keen on it at all ( I am also sick of my leg twitching from hitting the wrong target ). Finding different veins in my arm will be a breeze since I am lean and vascular in that area. So why would you not recommend IV?

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Are you using a half inch needle and getting this result?

If so, then I suppose the explanation would be that women are sleeker in the thighs. Thus making it harder to see veins. Bleeding from the needle puncturing these on the way in is the cause of the bruising.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Are you using a half inch needle and getting this result?[/quote]

I’m using 23Gx1 1/4" [quote]

If so, then I suppose the explanation would be that women are sleeker in the thighs. [/quote]
What does that mean? [quote]
Thus making it harder to see veins.[/quote] I don’t really look to be honest - I just aim and shoot.

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Half inch insulin syringes will give far less problems.

Sleeker in the thighs is my attempted diplomatic way of saying more sub-Q fat there.

On not even looking: If even very close looking makes it impossible to discern any vessels under the skin, if each little possible patch looks the same, then I guess it’s impossible to pick a less-likely-to-hit-a-vein spot.

I would think you can get a good idea by looking closely in good light though.

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My experience at 3 iu daily was bad carpel tunnel, numb fingers, and water retention. I have c4 spinal fusion and disectomy, and l4-l5 herniation. I would say that 3 months of hgh starting at 1iu apering up to 3iu daily i couldnt see alot of help with my spine injuries. That being said as soon as the carpel tunnel and numbness goes away im going back on gh after working up my arms to try and prevent the nerve problems from growth.

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Alpha F
Natural GH is released in multiple pulses. So I thought in theory, injecting multiple times per day would minimise side effects. I just picked 3 times that is most convenient for me. I am not very vascular either, so IM delivery is easier to do than IV.
IF you have a desk job, it’s a bit embarrasing to do a IV shot in your cube!
On the other hand, a IM shot with a pen takes less than 30seconds to complete.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Half inch insulin syringes will give far less problems.[/quote]

I was using that but a nurse told me to use the other one as it wasn’t deep enough. I also think in spite of the fact my sweep is visible the body fat is still significant and to be thorough I slowly get the 23G all the way in. I don’t really mind hitting a vein, I have had blood leaking out and it eventually stops. I only really mind when I hit something that makes my whole leg twitch.[quote]

Sleeker in the thighs is my attempted diplomatic way of saying more sub-Q fat there.[/quote]
Oh, thank you so much but I am the first to admit that. Specially in the thighs men are leaner by a mile, I find. That is why I am thinking I, as a female, cannot get away with the insulin needles unless I shoot on my forearms.[quote]

On not even looking: If even very close looking makes it impossible to discern any vessels under the skin, if each little possible patch looks the same, then I guess it’s impossible to pick a less-likely-to-hit-a-vein spot.[/quote] Indeed[quote]

I would think you can get a good idea by looking closely in good light though.[/quote]

Sadly, I don’t have the patience. And when I have to do it first thing in the morning as with the GH I don’t even have the awareness.

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[quote]mephistopheles wrote:
Alpha F
Natural GH is released in multiple pulses. So I thought in theory, injecting multiple times per day would minimise side effects. I just picked 3 times that is most convenient for me. I am not very vascular either, so IM delivery is easier to do than IV.
IF you have a desk job, it’s a bit embarrasing to do a IV shot in your cube!
On the other hand, a IM shot with a pen takes less than 30seconds to complete. [/quote]

Thanks. I am going to review all the papers I have read on GH. A few have said it matters not the time of injection. I would like to believe that - morning injections are like shooting in the dark for me. Some have also said GH only needs refrigeration when reconstituted so I was curious about your previous comment. Of course they could be saying that for the purpose of selling their stuff. I will pm you a link of guy who has been doing gh for 12 years every day non stop and has a lot of info on it ( he also recommends to start supplementing with testosterone at age 20, men and women. Insulin and EPO being next to replace in his list of recommendation ). If you care to read some of it and give me your feedback on his methods it would be interesting. I tried to put the link here before but it didn’t go through.

I like to consider and weigh what everyone says and make my own decisions.

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For the average child that require HGH treatment, they will finish a 5mg cartrige in 3 days, and the pre-mix / reconstituted HGH is stable enough for a few days. So it not a big issue for those boys and girls. For off-lable users that only use 0.4 mg per day, then it is best to keep the mixed hgh in the fridge.

Hormone supplemetation at 20yo? that’s a bit over the top. I will just wait for commercialised genetic doping instead.

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[quote]mephistopheles wrote:
For the average child that require HGH treatment, they will finish a 5mg cartrige in 3 days, and the pre-mix / reconstituted HGH is stable enough for a few days. So it not a big issue for those boys and girls. For off-lable users that only use 0.4 mg per day, then it is best to keep the mixed hgh in the fridge.

Hormone supplemetation at 20yo? that’s a bit over the top. I will just wait for commercialised genetic doping instead. [/quote]

Seeing as you are the only person in Bodybuilding circles who chooses to dose by the mg - how many iu are there per mg [to make your posts more understandable for the rest of us ;)]? I remember calculating it ages ago - IIRC it was 3iu/mg for 15iu/5mg. Is that right?

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Half inch insulin syringes will give far less problems.

I was using that but a nurse told me to use the other one as it wasn’t deep enough. [/quote]

While in many things and cases it would be foolish to not listen to a nurse on what seems a medical question in favor of some dude on the Internet, in this one, the nurse is wrong.

Injecting GH with a 23 gauge 1 1/4" is way overkill and way more damaging to tissue than necessary.

I very much doubt that you actually have a half inch or very near it before your muscle begins due to so much fat between. If, in fact being there to evaluate yourself, it does seem to you that there is that much fat, then don’t use the insulin pin.

By the way, while with the longer needle there is no need to do this, with the insulin pin one typically not only pushes the needle in, but then “mashes” a bit to indent that area, which probably helps depth a little.

Last point: if due to a considerable layer of fat only some of the GH injections stays intramuscular and some leaks out to sub-Q, this is not a disaster. Though with the BBB protocol we are aiming for intramuscular. I do fully expect that unless you have thunder thighs, which I bet is not the case, you would fully get IM, however.

If you do think your thighs (as pointed out by KSMan, not inner thighs, and preferably VL) really do have that much on them, I would prefer biceps myself. Forearms are out I think.

But looking closely before injecting remains one of those good ideas, even if sleepy and feeling rushed in the morning.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

While in many things and cases it would be foolish to not listen to a nurse on what seems a medical question in favor of some dude on the Internet, in this one, the nurse is wrong.

Injecting GH with a 23 gauge 1 1/4" is way overkill and way more damaging to tissue than necessary.

I very much doubt that you actually have a half inch or very near it before your muscle begins due to so much fat between. If, in fact being there to evaluate yourself, it does seem to you that there is that much fat, then don’t use the insulin pin. [/quote]

The hospital was a client. I was working there and just asked a nurse at reception on my way out. I told him I was going to inject B12, didn’t say anything about GH. He said they only use insulin pin needles on frail elderly ladies - by that I assumed he was being diplomatic in saying all other women are skin and fat primarily.
He said I should draw with the 21Gx 1 1/2" and inject with the 23G. He never even saw me below the waist ( he was behind a desk ).
I am also using these for the DHEA which I started yesterday and is very thick and HURTS.[quote]

By the way, while with the longer needle there is no need to do this, with the insulin pin one typically not only pushes the needle in, but then “mashes” a bit to indent that area, which probably helps depth a little.[/quote]

I will try that, thanks.[quote]

Last point: if due to a considerable layer of fat only some of the GH injections stays intramuscular and some leaks out to sub-Q, this is not a disaster. Though with the BBB protocol we are aiming for intramuscular. I do fully expect that unless you have thunder thighs, which I bet is not the case, you would fully get IM, however.[/quote]
Haha, thunder thighs…no, the fat from the Anavar cycle went to the inner thigh, lower ab, and gluteous maximus which is now Gluteous Epicus - It was just perfect before and I am now sporting a Jenifer Lopez. Not happy, : (…
… and gave me a thin layer of lard ( almost like cellulite on my arm which I NEVER had ) over the triceps which are one of my most developed muscles. You can still see the triceps but with that layer over it. I am not happy about that at all. I do about 150 push ups twice weekly on martial arts training, plus 30 mins boxing once a week, plus triceps at the gym and it is not budging. I am amazed at how selective the fat deposits were in this substance, before when I put on weight is always uniform - never like this.
Looks like I am going to have to diet, sigh.

Yes, I was using insulin needles for GH, but GH only. I previously did a cycle sub-q and had great results[quote]

If you do think your thighs (as pointed out by KSMan, not inner thighs, and preferably VL) really do have that much on them, I would prefer biceps myself. Forearms are out I think.

But looking closely before injecting remains one of those good ideas, even if sleepy and feeling rushed in the morning.[/quote]

I always do VL, that is why I said purple quads: I always shoot at the same place. Not exactly the same - I also have a ‘holy area’ - the holes from point of entry stay on for days, by the way. So it must be my skin is sensitive.

Thanks for your comments, Bill.

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brook
1mg=2.7iu

I used to use IU as the unit of measurement, but all the GH kits out there are all in mg now.Most companies sell their products with 5mg/10mg/8.8mg stamped on it. I don’t feel like converting units all the time, so i started using mg unit.

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Alpha, another thing on why nurses do what they do on injections, including not wanting to use an insulin needle for even B12 or anything else water based:

They view (appropriately or not) their time as so precious that wasting extra seconds on an injection is just intolerable.

The drug shoots in faster with a 23 gauge.

It would take them longer to draw with a 29 gauge and longer – only seconds longer, but longer – to inject.

Seriously.

Oh, and please give yourself a break and move your injection sites around. Especially with a 23 gauge (or if you’ve GOT to use a long needle, then make it a 25 gauge 1 inch) but even with 29 gauge. There’s lots of “real estate” to choose from, whereas continually injecting to the same area is very hard on that area.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Alpha, another thing on why nurses do what they do on injections, including not wanting to use an insulin needle for even B12 or anything else water based:

They view (appropriately or not) their time as so precious that wasting extra seconds on an injection is just intolerable.

The drug shoots in faster with a 23 gauge.

It would take them longer to draw with a 29 gauge and longer – only seconds longer, but longer – to inject.

Seriously.[/quote]

Bill, that makes perfect sense!

Thank you very much!

Edit: Advice taken on moving injection site. Of the recommended ones I read, the VL was my leanest so I stayed there until I lost some BF which is happening a bit slower than expected.