[quote]Makavali wrote:
JJ wrote:
You’re kidding right? If you know to use them for a cut cycle then why do you ask how much water they hold?!
Come on man. Lighten up on me, I’m still learning here. And given that some of my info comes from Wikipedia, you can understand why I’d confirm that here…
And I’m a pot head.
What?
Plus for me, i fing tamoxifen does little for water, then again AI’s dont either… dunno.
PLUS just fyi… if you are not competing, you may as well use test for a cut cycle too… it is cheaper and does the same job - except it will give you some water weight, but that is only ever a concern for competing BBs and weight limited atheletes… if you are not going below 10% then it wont make much difference being on the more expensive “cutting” drugs.
My body is my chemistry set. I’m going as low as I can with minimal muscle loss. I’ll try pretty much anything once.
Except ghey stuff.
Some test with some var or another “cutting” drug would go down nice… possibly prop if you are bothered about water a bit, but 500mg of cyp/ent with an anabolic (anyone see my patterns forming here?!) like var or primo high dose… shit test alone at that dose would allow you to build muscle while dieting down to a degree, and you’d look great with loads of muscle and low BF even if you were as bloated as a pregnant woman on drol.
I was under the impression that bulk first, cut later was the better approach?[/quote]
OK fair enough, i apologise, it because you been here a while.
OK –
They are both drugs that do not convert to estrogen, and it is estrogen that makes you blow up in retained water. This is why dbol and drol are such big “gainers” and why a woman feels fat when they are on their period… you know this all i’m sure.
So winny and var are non-aromatising steroids. They will give little water retention - reduce it even some say, then with their low anabolic properties, it is enough to offset any catabolism caused by a “cutting” diet and no retention so as to give that hard dry look. That is what competing BBs go for on stage and is a little over kill for a normal guy - shredded or not.
The reason behind bulk and cut is that way you can get the most from each phase, so concentrate all your efforts on bulking - then cut the same way. It is pobbible to create a great finish that way, but remember this is after many years even with steroids!
IF you bulk with test, dbol whatever - great, then when you cut, make sure you are on cycle and then you can work real hard trying to lose fat and not worry about losing muscle too - this is why naturals suffer so, they spend all year putting on 5lbs of muscle and then diet 1lb of it off!
As a non-competer, you can “cut” on anything, test, drol whatever. A pro would look smooth and bloated on test even at 5% bf.
You or me on the beach however, would look amazing at 10% bf and on test, dbol etc with the same muscle as the BB! less even.
A cycle of winny at 50mg a day for 6 weeks(min dose IME) is £120+ and the equal cycle of test for the same 6 weeks is about £30…
so use of the anabolic cutting friendly drugs is pointless unless you are going to benefit from their specific action by modelling or competing.
JMO.
JJ