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Anavar/Bridge/Anavar/Pct Cycle


#1

Hi everyone, I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the correct place, so apologies if not.

The main reason for me joining is to get people's opinions and advice on my planned 26 week anavar/bridge/anavar cycle that I'm thinking about doing, but first I'll put up some stats and facts about myself.

I'm 32 and have been weight lifting on and off for 12 years. I've became more dedicated over the past 3 years or so. In the last two and a half years I've done 4 prohormone cycles and i've just finished my first anavar and pct cycle. All cycles I believe gave me good results.

I'm 5ft 10, 83kg with around 10% body fat.

Max squats 182.5kg

Max deadlift 225kg

Max bench 155kg

My goal is to be 90kg and 8/9 body fat.

My maintenance calories are around 2,700.

I do fasted cardio on 3 morning for 30 mins, sometimes HIIT and sometimes just steady state.

I weight lift 6 times a week, training individual body parts each day.

Starting from January 2nd 2017 I will start another anavar only cycle for 8 weeks @ 100mg everyday. Eating around 3,500 calories a day ( hoping to put 10lbs of clean mass on)

Week 9 - 15, will be my bridge eating around 3,000 calories and using:

Cardarine Gw-501516 @ 20mg everyday.

Andarine S4 @ 100mg 5 days on 2 days off.

LGD-4033 @ 10mg everyday.

Ostarine MK-2866 @ 25mg everyday.

Week 16 - 22 I will go back on anavar @ 100mg everyday, eating around 2,500 calories (hoping to burn off some fat and maybe still gain a small amount of mass)

Week 23 - 26 pct eating around maintenance calories and using:

Nolvadex 40mg everyday for 1 weeks, 20mg everyday for 2 weeks, 10mg everyday for 1 weeks.

Cardarine GW-501516 everyday @ 20mg

HC generate 5 caps everyday.

I will also be using N2 Guard 7 caps a day for the whole 26 weeks.

I believe I've done a good amount of research in to all the supplements and anavar and understand that I should really be leaving 12 weeks between my var cycles. The reason I'm trying to cram 2 cycles in 26 weeks is because I'm going on holiday July with a few other gym rats and wanted to be in the best shape possible.

So I suppose my main question is. Will this cycle be affected and more importantly safe??

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


#2

I believe you have done a great deal of research on the Prohormones but nobody has really done extensive research on the Prohormones and the people who say they have done the most research on Prohormones are the ones selling the Prohormones.

Prohormones are little more than altered steroids to beat legality laws and drug tests.

Next, if they actually work they probably shut you down. Putting PCTs in bridges and all that is probably going to do more long term damage to your HPTA than help. When people arent coming off for more than a month or 2 the general opinion is dont bother.

N2guard has never been proven to help anything.

That brings me to safety, are you going to spontaneously grow flippers or combust? Probably not. But this looks terribly unsafe for the reasons I stated above.

For effectiveness (I think you typoed "affected") and I would have no idea. I was doing research on my first cycle and the conclusion I came to was that risk reward for Prohormones vs Test only 1st cycle was not close. I went test and it was amazing.

Test only cycle will not only be the most effective but it is also the safest cycle known to man.

Depending on how long your trip is you could use Test E or C and time your last shot day before leaving so that you dont start PCT until you return. PCT should be started after 14 days I believe.

If you are willing to shut yourself down so hard for so long with the unkowns you could run a nice long 4 month cycle of test E/C 200mg every 4th day and see great results. 2 weeks in paradise, come home and PCT. You could add the anavar at the end but I wouldnt for 2 reasons. #1 the effects are going away a few days after discontinued use and #2 I assume you will be enjoying adult beverages or other fun things that are stressful to the body (another argument against all those unkowns). #BESAFER


#3

I totally agree and understand that a test cycle will be more effective and safer.
This is going to make me sound like a absolute girl I know, but I've got a fear of needles and wouldn't be able to inject myself lol.
This is the main reason that I've stuck to oral cycles.

I'm not sure if I'm reading it wrong so forgive me if I get this wrong.

All the supplements that I am planning to use for my bridge are sarms (apart from GW) not prohormones.

I've read that using these sarms as a bridge can be very effective in maintaining muscle mass gained from being on cycle, and also give you the "superhuman" feeling of still being on cycle, with only minimal suppression, and not course liver damage.
I understand that if having a small amount of time between cycles that it is better for you to just stay on cycle at a lower dosage.
I've also read that if you are going to have a small gap between cycles that it's better not to run pct??

So my thinking was that after my first 8 week cycle of var when I will be shut down, I can then use the sarms to maintain the clean mass that I've put on without bringing my natural test back up and also giving my liver a break, so that then, I can then do another var cycle after 6 weeks, for 8 weeks and then pct??
(if this sounds stupid, I apologize I'm just trying to find out some information from the best sources....you lot obviously

The main reason for my post is because I am worried about damaging my HPTA with being on some kind of enhancement for so long. I must point out that if I do decide to run this cycle that it will be my last, because I'm hoping to be able to maintain as much of what I have gained without using anymore and will hopefully be at the goal I set myself 3 years ago.
Would this point make any difference in my HPTA recovery??

Thank you for taking the time to reply, I take on board everything that you say and appreciate your comments.


#4

You are right to be worried. The notion that sarms are safe for bridging is kind of flawed. I have run A LOT of ostarine cycles and done blood work while on them, they always bring my test from my baseline to ~250, and they drop my LH and FSH (not as much as test, but still significant). After the first anavar cycle your LH and FSH will probably be below the blood tests detection range and your test will be essentially non-existent. None of these compounds will raise any of those things, your LH and FSH will stay at zero, and your test will stay where it was at the end of you first var cycle. And this just from my experience with osta alone, S4 by it self is much more surpressive than ostarine, and will shut you down almost as hard as AAS.

So this means you will be completely shut down for 22 wks, and yes that can permanently damage you HPTA, or at least make recovery very difficult. The only upside is giving your liver a break, however I can tell you from the same blood tests that while my liver values were fine from the ostarine, it negatively effected my lipids, so your already shitty lipids from the var won't improve, and its not good to have your lipids in the trash for 22 weeks if you care about cardiovascular health at all. If you want to use the SARMs (which I love btw) pct first. They are for bridging injectable cycles, not oral cycles. If you choose to do this please get bloods done before so if something goes wrong you know what your baseline was.


#5

Thanks for the advice. You definitely sound like you know what your talking about when it comes to sarms.

After reading your reply, some of your other posts, and doing a bit more research for myself, I've decided not to run my original cycle.

Instead what I think I'll try is:

Wk 1-8 var 100mg ED
Wk 9-12 pct with nolva
Wk 13-16 nothing
Wk 17-24 use the sarms at the dosages that I put in my first post.
Wk 25-27 mini pct

And then do another cycle of var much later in the year.

Do you think this will be ok for my HPTA recovery with doing a pct and then having a 4 week gap before I start the sarms cycle??
Do you think I'll still be able to make noticeable gains using the sarms??

If not I think I'll just stick to a standard var cycle and pct.

Once again thanks for your advice it is much appreciated!!