Anaconda May Not be Released

Diet and Nutrition
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even the top of line hydro casiens and beyond (80%+ di and tri pepetides)are not insanely expensive, they’re definitely more expensive than the regular supplements people take but not much more, definitely not elite athlete only.

in fact i really cant think of any elite athlete only supplements. Sure you can make an blended supplement that’s really good and market it at a high price, but by ingredient cost only, theres nothing legal that costs much.

maybe if you made a hydro casien that was guaranteed 100% tri peptides, that would be insane to produce and there would be no reason to make something like that on a cost benefit scale, unless you just enjoy spending more moeny than you need to

i hope Anaconda comes out, ive been hoping for a Biotest hydro casein product since they have great flavor lines.

but i guess ill have to get it elsewhere.

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Yeah, it’s gotten tiresome. The hype must be working, though, or else they wouldn’t be doing it.

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Why don’t you go ahead and post some before and after pics?

Must be hundreds of photos of dramatic improvement out there.

Yet whenever SUPER HYPED PRODUCT is released, you say: “Well, this isn’t the type of product you’ll notice an immediate difference with.”

Again, PLEASE post some before and after pics (including your own) to prove your case.

Otherwise, you’re just words on a computer screen, man.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Mod Brian wrote: You better tell that to the guys who were just in the office to pick up product!

Why don’t you go ahead and post some before and after pics?

Must be hundreds of photos of dramatic improvement out there.

Yet whenever SUPER HYPED PRODUCT is released, you say: “Well, this isn’t the type of product you’ll notice an immediate difference with.”

Again, PLEASE post some before and after pics (including your own) to prove your case.

Otherwise, you’re just words on a computer screen, man.[/quote]

Not to get on the “lets knock Biotest bandwagon”, but why don’t we hear or see any of these “Elite Athletes” you guys are always raving about. As far as I know the best athletes in the world aren’t taking Biotest Supplements, so who are these “Elite Athletes” we hear about??

If theres proof I stand corrected

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[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
youngoldguy wrote:
Westclock wrote:
lol.

Supplements are 5% maybe of this whole game, I fail to see how using an ingredient that is 10% or 20% or whatever, better in a field that only counts for maybe 5% in the first place, is going to have such a DRAMATIC influence on your overall goals.

Many top lifters/bodybuilders don’t even use supplements, including protien concentrates.

They are nice, and convenient, but by no means even necessary or DRAMATICALLY more helpful in the long run over a simple high protien diet.

Im not knocking Biotest specifically, I’m simply astounded at how ridiculous the supplements “Arms Race” has become in general.

I like Biotest’s style because their products are simple and rooted in actual, proven, compounds.
It would be a shame to see them play the game and overly hype a simple and convenient product into appearing as “magic”.

I agree 100% with everything you’ve written. I’m actually toying with the idea of avoiding supplements (aside from creatine, fish oil, vitamins, and ZMA) in a month or so, just to see if I look, feel, or perform any differently. I’m thinking of doing this because of exactly what you said - supplements are just that, supplements. As such, they are not the be all end all of progressing.

Why not consider going off the vitamins too? Just a thought see Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness [/quote]

I probably will once I start getting enough fruits and vegetables in my diet. Thanks for the link – I’ll definitely read that soon.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

You’re disconnected from your client base.
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Jeez Ponce, you seem to know your marketing. Biotest should look at hiring you instead of using their current strategy.

On an unrelated note, according to the Thibaudeau section of the forum, Biotest is attempting to move some FINiBARs and Surge products. Skin-splitting pumps I hear.

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Name me an elite athlete who says publicly that he uses a product without receiving a check for saying so.

I personally know you are wrong. But if you want to call Biotest liars, with absolutely nothing remotely approaching proof of your claims (just some erroneous reasoning) I suppose it is a free country.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Name me an elite athlete who says publicly that he uses a product without receiving a check for saying so.

I personally know you are wrong. But if you want to call Biotest liars, with absolutely nothing remotely approaching proof of your claims (just some erroneous reasoning) I suppose it is a free country.[/quote]

Like I said I stand corrected. I just don’t like the way Biotest is going about hyping these products, like we are missing out on something great, and than claiming they might never be released.

If it’s part of a big marketing plan, kudos on a job well done, but I would rather these supplements remain behind closed doors, than hearing about what we are missing out on and what we cant get.

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Ah,I dont care if its released,honestly…Thibs sounds like he’s trying to hype it instead of being honest about it really not coming out.Internet marketing 101.Not that I would think it wouldn’t be a great product,I really have liked most Biotest products Ive tried and a few have become my staples,and a few have not,even though they worked as advertised.

But we’ve been down this road before with SWF,and just bout every Biotest supplement has come with a warning that if you dont buy right away,it could not be avalible for a while or FDA could yank it(even though that happened with the original T-2 product years ago that I thought worked better than Hot-Rox Extreme)

Bottom line,I sometimes feel like my intelligence is being insulted by Biotest marketing,but I never feel cheated by the actual quality of the supplements being offered and I continue to judge other supplement companies by the high standards I’ve come to expect from Biotest.

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I think this thread was gone a little bit out of proportion, although I definitely sympathize with the overall feeling people are expressing.

We all know Biotest makes sells some real high quality products (high purity, good old basic compounds like creatine, Leucine, BCAAs, Tribulus, ZMA… and other very cool, saple stuff like Superfood, Flameout, Metabolic Drive, SURGE Recovery…) and we like them a lot, but when it comes to the more fancy, complex formulations, I personally think the hype is excessive.

Im not saying they do not work, or that the manufacturers faith in the formulation is fake, just that the claims are to bold, the expectations created around the products is too big for any legal substance to fulfill. We are aware of this, although our subconscious still has hopes for a drug like supplement, but in the end, we all know this new supp will most likely be a small aid in the entire journey.

So when one of these products appears, guns blazing, we get all excited at first ''man this is it… the supplement that´s gonna take me to the next level." The promotional article looks amazing, the claims in it make us want to order this stuff right away, price be damned and the fact that the product was originally meant only for elite athletes, the best of the best who only buy and accept the best of the best, makes us want to buy it even more.

But then we come to our senses again. We look at the high price, the sometimes unheard of compounds listed and we begin to question the value of the product (like a rational human being would) and all that advertisement that seemed so exciting before now looks somewhat unreal.

Now, many of the statements are backed up by studies but the whole elite athlete thing leaves a bitter taste in our mouths because we never get to see these athletes, know their names or hear about their own experience on the product and we begin to question the credibility of the whole thing

Understand that we are are only trying to make the most out of our time and money and that if question some statement it is not to knock Biotest, but to hopefully get some answers that will clear thing up and give the product and the brand as a whole more credibility. Sadly, we dont get to meet Tim, TC, Bill and the rest of you guys so that you can clear things up for us personally.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Name me an elite athlete who says publicly that he uses a product without receiving a check for saying so.

I personally know you are wrong. But if you want to call Biotest liars, with absolutely nothing remotely approaching proof of your claims (just some erroneous reasoning) I suppose it is a free country.[/quote]

But that works both ways. Because at the moment, there’s no proof supporting Biotests claims, not in the forums anyway.

LR

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

Didn’t we hear the same thing about Surge Workout Fuel? Anyone wanna take bets on if this will or won’t be released?

I’m guessing when the new Super program comes out it will be available.

PS- and yes, another Anaconda thread :D[/quote]

I think the same as you. It will be released the same time as the Super Program that Thibs is working on. The tub size will probably be the same as SWF and around the same price as well.

LR

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[quote]ndiddy85 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Name me an elite athlete who says publicly that he uses a product without receiving a check for saying so.

I personally know you are wrong. But if you want to call Biotest liars, with absolutely nothing remotely approaching proof of your claims (just some erroneous reasoning) I suppose it is a free country.

Like I said I stand corrected. I just don’t like the way Biotest is going about hyping these products, like we are missing out on something great, and than claiming they might never be released.

If it’s part of a big marketing plan, kudos on a job well done, but I would rather these supplements remain behind closed doors, than hearing about what we are missing out on and what we cant get.[/quote]

Do you think the same way about women? If so you must not watch porn.

We’ve seen glimpses of it, we know what it is but (according to Thib) you may never get it. Tht doesn’t stop “us” for wanting it.

Now back to brazzers.com…

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[quote]ndiddy85 wrote:

Like I said I stand corrected. I just don’t like the way Biotest is going about hyping these products, like we are missing out on something great, and than claiming they might never be released.

If it’s part of a big marketing plan, kudos on a job well done, but I would rather these supplements remain behind closed doors, than hearing about what we are missing out on and what we cant get.[/quote]

Thanks. But actually it is ascribing too much credit to think of these things as choreographed-in-every-detail marketing plans.

For example the products or potential products I’ve been involved with that had delays or actually never were marketed despite “hype”, by no means was there a desire to be slow in releasing or not to release. The biggest example I suppose was T-17E, which was expected to be released quite soon after I joined Biotest. (It was an ether of testosterone, which believe it or not in those days oddly enough met the letter of the law.) It’s not that the stuff didn’t exist. It was something worth being enthused about, and when I and others at Biotest said we’d be releasing it soon we certainly thought so. Considering that we’d quite promptly received a sample from the manufacturer and they expressed nothing about this seeming problematic to them, all seemed well.

But it turned out that they could never get the concentration of testosterone itself down to undetectable levels, which would have been required for it to be legal. They kept thinking and saying they could, something like a YEAR went by while I kept saying Real Soon Now, but it never happened and finally we had to say, nope, not happening. And as for myself I said I’d never give a prediction on product release date after all the times I was wrong on that one.

On Anaconda, I can’t remember if it was last summer or the summer before that that I did a fair amount of work on one aspect or rather then-intended aspect of it. (I was not successful – as time went on it became learned that that aspect wasn’t at all called for anyway, or rather the same goal is now being accomplished in a far better way.) The product was real, but the fact is it wasn’t ready.

As for it being ready now – well not in the sense of retail-quantities having been produced but in terms of very limited production having been done and it being possible to produce more if putting the money into it – it is a fact that the manufacturing cost is ridiculous. Ordinarily it would totally rule out launching a product. If I’d designed a product that I found out cost this much to manufacture, I wouldn’t even ever bother mentioning it to Tim. I’d consider it DOA on cost.

The only reason Anaconda I think will be released anyway is because of pricing it in a manner that if done across the line, would leave the overhead unpaid. You know, people’s salaries and things like that. It’s possible to do that on one product in the line, but, though Tim never said this next thing to me in particular, I can certainly see the reluctance to write big checks to make a costly production run and then discover that hey, people won’t pay that.

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I agree with ndiddy85. It sounds like being a part of an obvious and rather clumsy marketing plan.

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The part i don’t understand about Biotest line of supplements for their “elite athletes” is just that. They have a line of consumers who are willing to pay the price to get their hands on some of these supplements, and they say No.

I even sent a email to Biotest (like I’m sure many of you have,) telling them i am willing to pay the price to get some products that will help me get to the next level in my training. If someone is willing to pay “elite athlete” prices why not let them?

Biotest should just make another store, and put there “elite” products in there, and let the consumer decide if they are willing to pay the price, most wont, but some will. If you have even just 10-20 people willing to pay the extra price for these products per month, wouldn’t they still make money? and everyone would be happy.

I will continue to support Biotests products, because i feel they are the best. Will i continue to read the articles and such if they are going to just do the old school yard “look what i have and you don’t” approach?, i doubt it. Hype is good, but over hype and under delivering can back fire.

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Yeah, the hype is getting silly. How long has anaconda been in the pipeline for… something like 4 YEARS? Even if the product is completely different now to what it was back then (which I suspect, as do many others), this ‘new’ CH version has been mentioned for months and months now.

I suppose they’re waiting for the next ‘super program’ to come out so that they can release it simultaneously, or the next Physique Clinic or some such. But really, I feel like the wave has broken already. People are just getting bored of ‘anaconda… it exists’, and empty boxes in another video. As has been said recently on these forums, “Shit or get off the pot”. We get it: it’s really, really, ridiculously good (looking). Now let us see/use it so we can evaluate it for ourselves.

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[quote]London Runner wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Name me an elite athlete who says publicly that he uses a product without receiving a check for saying so.

I personally know you are wrong. But if you want to call Biotest liars, with absolutely nothing remotely approaching proof of your claims (just some erroneous reasoning) I suppose it is a free country.

But that works both ways. Because at the moment, there’s no proof supporting Biotests claims, not in the forums anyway.[/quote]

Well, if a person is in the habit of calling people liars without a shred of evidence to back up that assertion, then I suppose that is just his way. If it makes sense to you, that’s your business too.

But frankly, accusing Biotest of likely being lying regarding there being elite athletes using the product is just ridiculous.

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If any of you HONESTLY believe that at all, you’re being a naive mark. You know as well as I do that once the program of all programs is unleashed, Anaconda will probably accompany its release. We’re just being lead on because Biotest needs to ensure that a lot of Anaconda will be sold right off the bat. I speculate that we’ll see Anaconda closer to August, because that’s when people will start thinking about gaining mass, which is what Anaconda seems best suited for.

I’m sure Anaconda is a great product, and in fact I’ll be trying it out whenever it comes out. But this kind of marketing is just insulting to my intelligence; just like the fact that GROW! Whey’s new exorbitant pricing was never explained.

[quote]Chushin wrote:
Kinda nice to know that I’m not the only one who – though a regular and good customer – has started to tire of Biotest’s increasingly blatent BS hype.[/quote]

[quote]MODOK wrote:
I certainly don’t think you are seeing a coup beginning to form against Biotest or anything close to that. What I see is a group of very intelligent, savvy consumers who just want some straight forwardness from anything that they do in life…whether it be in their jobs, politics, buying a car, getting a sandwich, whatever. Just don’t beat around the bush.
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I’m with you guys. I’m a regular and happy Biotest customer. But when I see authors implying that for the best workout ever, you need to load up on 7 scoops of Biotest product (Nate Green) and eat some Finibars on top of that, it’s like… “Come the huck ON.” As Ponce said, anyone who thinks I’m gonna consume all this stuff does not realise how expensive it is in such large quantities. Worse yet, if Biotest promotes such mass consumption of supplements, I’d expect people to turn to bulk providers of supplement staples. Hope all that made sense.