American's Selfish Nature Towards Other Americans

[quote]engerland66 wrote:

  1. It does not belong to them. It is mine. I decide how it should be spent.

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Were you under the impression we respect private property and the fruit of one’s own labor in this country?

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
The Priorities (As I see them):

  1. Deal with SS NOW!

  2. Cut Military WASTE and pass much of those savings on to our amazing people in uniform. The rest should be allied to reducing the the overall Debt.

  3. Cut wasteful programs and departments and/or selectively freeze their spending where feasible.

  4. Begin to selectively reduce domestic programs and/or wasteful spending.

The problem is that all this is easier said than done.

This ain’t your family budget, folks.

Mufasa
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I’m with you but I think medicare/medicaid should be #1b

[quote]Sloth wrote:
engerland66 wrote:

  1. It does not belong to them. It is mine. I decide how it should be spent.

Were you under the impression we respect private property and the fruit of one’s own labor in this country? [/quote]

WHAT AN IDIOT!

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
This country has to have some of the most heartless and shallow people in the world.

The government can spend 600 billion a year on military, 50 billion a year on the war on drugs, 35 billion a year on FOREIGN AID… Read that again you nitwits, FOREIGN AID…but as soon as money is spent for domestic programs, for AMERICANS, for your NEIGHBORS, suddenly it’s the most horrific and unjust use of tax payer’s money ever.

For a country that overwhelmingly considers itself ‘christian’, I rarely see people share the same compassion or giving nature for people their supposed savior did and encouraged.

Assholes.

Now start ranting and raving about how you don’t want your money to go to ‘deadbeats’ and ‘lazy bums’ while the government ships off billions of tax payer’s dollars to foreign nations that you could give a fuck less about.

I share your frustration…“good luck” getting a valid argument from the bullshit that will follow…[/quote]

People who do not believe in forced redistribution spend 5 to 10 times more on charity than people who do.

[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
Sloth wrote:
engerland66 wrote:

  1. It does not belong to them. It is mine. I decide how it should be spent.

Were you under the impression we respect private property and the fruit of one’s own labor in this country?

WHAT AN IDIOT![/quote]

My bad. I was thinking about the ideal America, not the America-that-is-about-to-elect-Obama&Biden. Silly me!

[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
This country has to have some of the most heartless and shallow people in the world.

The government can spend 600 billion a year on military, 50 billion a year on the war on drugs, 35 billion a year on FOREIGN AID… Read that again you nitwits, FOREIGN AID…but as soon as money is spent for domestic programs, for AMERICANS, for your NEIGHBORS, suddenly it’s the most horrific and unjust use of tax payer’s money ever.

I think a lot of people who are against foreign aid are going to also be against domestic programs.

Plus look at the money spent on foreign aid compared to domestic programs.

$500 billion on welfare.

For a country that overwhelmingly considers itself ‘christian’, I rarely see people share the same compassion or giving nature for people their supposed savior did and encouraged.

Assholes.

You’re an idiot. Christianity has nothing to do with the government taking people’s money in the form of taxes and giving it to people. Christianity promotes the voluntary helping of one’s neighbor.

If I teach a friend who’s in poor financial shape good money management skills that isn’t enough help? I need to give him money?

Now start ranting and raving about how you don’t want your money to go to ‘deadbeats’ and ‘lazy bums’ while the government ships off billions of tax payer’s dollars to foreign nations that you could give a fuck less about.

How old are you?

You sound like a college kid looking for government to create a utopia for everyone. Why can’t people just worry about creating their own utopian lifestyle as long as they don’t suppress others’ rights so they have the same chance? We can’t keep all of our compensation for our productivity because others “need” it.

Remember… NO ONE in the country will go hungry or homeless if they just didn’t make a shit load of really bad decisions. We need to compensate people because they make poor decisions? Get real.[/quote]
I’m not in favor of a utopia society, at the same time I’m not in favor a winding road to dystopia.

Maybe the people against foreign aid are also against domestic programs, but they seem to always become enraged and much more hostile when it comes to giving money or aid to Americans.

Christianity does a play part in my opinion…
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.’”

Really, I just find it hilarious it’s always the right wing conservative christians who push so hard against domestic programs for the impoverished people of the US. Why even call yourself a christian? These people need to find another religion, one of which doesn’t involve helping the needy or spreading love, as their anti-aid stance and war mongering ways is the exact opposite of what they claim to believe.

And also, you’re an idiot.

It all comes down to this- it’s not as if the money isn’t already there, it’s not as if the government isn’t already spending TRILLIONS of dollars. They do, it’s there, they pass it. It’s just that money isn’t being spent here in America, for Americans. And when the idea of doing that is proposed, suddenly people are up in arms and start flying off the handle.

$600 billion military- Great!
$35 billion foreign aid- oh well…
$50 billion war on drugs- what can ya do?
$500 billion social welfare- OUTRAGEOUS! LUDICROUS! FUCK POOR PEOPLE AND SINGLE MOTHERS! ARGHHHH!!! I HATE WHEN POOR PEOPLE CAN EAT!

And these are the same people who want poor people to pop out every baby they abort. They all want to love the babies until they’re actually born.

[quote]orion wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
This country has to have some of the most heartless and shallow people in the world.

The government can spend 600 billion a year on military, 50 billion a year on the war on drugs, 35 billion a year on FOREIGN AID… Read that again you nitwits, FOREIGN AID…but as soon as money is spent for domestic programs, for AMERICANS, for your NEIGHBORS, suddenly it’s the most horrific and unjust use of tax payer’s money ever.

For a country that overwhelmingly considers itself ‘christian’, I rarely see people share the same compassion or giving nature for people their supposed savior did and encouraged.

Assholes.

Now start ranting and raving about how you don’t want your money to go to ‘deadbeats’ and ‘lazy bums’ while the government ships off billions of tax payer’s dollars to foreign nations that you could give a fuck less about.

I share your frustration…“good luck” getting a valid argument from the bullshit that will follow…

People who do not believe in forced redistribution spend 5 to 10 times more on charity than people who do.
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Source?

It surprises me how many people all of a sudden care about this shit. The same people that bitch and whine about having to pay high taxes, all of a sudden don’t mind having higher taxes, so Obama can give it all to people who don’t want to work.

I am not in favor of government enforced charity, whether it be in the form of foreign aid, or domestic welfare. Government should not be forcing charity on us.

This is a ridiculous argument, people in favor of this new socialism are the biggest hypocrites. This is only an argument to try and “guilt” people into accepting Obama, Pelosi, and Reids vision of America.

What is with you people?

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:

Now start ranting and raving about how you don’t want your money to go to ‘deadbeats’ and ‘lazy bums’ while the government ships off billions of tax payer’s dollars to foreign nations that you could give a fuck less about.[/quote]

The more you give money to bums, the more bums there will be to take it. It is a law of nature.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
This country has to have some of the most heartless and shallow people in the world.

The government can spend 600 billion a year on military, 50 billion a year on the war on drugs, 35 billion a year on FOREIGN AID… Read that again you nitwits, FOREIGN AID…but as soon as money is spent for domestic programs, for AMERICANS, for your NEIGHBORS, suddenly it’s the most horrific and unjust use of tax payer’s money ever.

For a country that overwhelmingly considers itself ‘christian’, I rarely see people share the same compassion or giving nature for people their supposed savior did and encouraged.

Assholes.

Now start ranting and raving about how you don’t want your money to go to ‘deadbeats’ and ‘lazy bums’ while the government ships off billions of tax payer’s dollars to foreign nations that you could give a fuck less about.[/quote]

It has nothing – NOTHING – to do with being heartless or ‘less Christian’. It has to do with EFIICIENCY and allocation of our (my) limited resources. I work damn hard for money (as do you, most likely) and I don’t like to see it WASTED. Since our foreign AND domestic policies are WASTINTG my money on things I deem unworthy, I’ll choose to be pissed about both. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

And as for your whole ‘being good Christians’ bit, I’d venture to guess that a foundation run by greedy capitalists like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are far more efficient at providing help and getting assistance to where it’s needed – and at raising money --than any government-run welfare program.

Government expenditures are for those things that cannot be obtained by individuals by definition. Military is the most obvious example. Waste is something else, but I hope we never stop spending TONS AND TONS of money on defense. That is a constitutional mandate and more necessary now than at any other time in history.

Food, clothing, education, medical care etc. are individual commodities and are the responsibility of them and theirs to provide it. If there is genuine hardship, then those close enough to the individuals in question are best qualified to determine whether legitimate charity is called for.

Formularized, impersonal government programs are pathetically inefficient, astronomically expensive, practically designed for fraud and inappropriate outlay, produce entire underclasses of unproductive dependence, juts plain DO NOT work and are actually cruel and inhumane in the end.

We are sitting neck deep in evidence of this. It has produced a generation of fatherless practically feral children who will kill you because they’re bored. I live in their neighborhood so do not attempt to tell me it ain’t so.

Whatever compassion is, the government is the last entity on Earth capable of effectively dispensing it.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
This country has to have some of the most heartless and shallow people in the world.

The government can spend 600 billion a year on military, 50 billion a year on the war on drugs, 35 billion a year on FOREIGN AID… Read that again you nitwits, FOREIGN AID…but as soon as money is spent for domestic programs, for AMERICANS, for your NEIGHBORS, suddenly it’s the most horrific and unjust use of tax payer’s money ever.

I think a lot of people who are against foreign aid are going to also be against domestic programs.

Plus look at the money spent on foreign aid compared to domestic programs.

$500 billion on welfare.

For a country that overwhelmingly considers itself ‘christian’, I rarely see people share the same compassion or giving nature for people their supposed savior did and encouraged.

Assholes.

You’re an idiot. Christianity has nothing to do with the government taking people’s money in the form of taxes and giving it to people. Christianity promotes the voluntary helping of one’s neighbor.

If I teach a friend who’s in poor financial shape good money management skills that isn’t enough help? I need to give him money?

Now start ranting and raving about how you don’t want your money to go to ‘deadbeats’ and ‘lazy bums’ while the government ships off billions of tax payer’s dollars to foreign nations that you could give a fuck less about.

How old are you?

You sound like a college kid looking for government to create a utopia for everyone. Why can’t people just worry about creating their own utopian lifestyle as long as they don’t suppress others’ rights so they have the same chance? We can’t keep all of our compensation for our productivity because others “need” it.

Remember… NO ONE in the country will go hungry or homeless if they just didn’t make a shit load of really bad decisions. We need to compensate people because they make poor decisions? Get real.
I’m not in favor of a utopia society, at the same time I’m not in favor a winding road to dystopia.

Maybe the people against foreign aid are also against domestic programs, but they seem to always become enraged and much more hostile when it comes to giving money or aid to Americans.

Christianity does a play part in my opinion…
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.’”

Really, I just find it hilarious it’s always the right wing conservative christians who push so hard against domestic programs for the impoverished people of the US. Why even call yourself a christian? These people need to find another religion, one of which doesn’t involve helping the needy or spreading love, as their anti-aid stance and war mongering ways is the exact opposite of what they claim to believe.

And also, you’re an idiot.[/quote]

So the whole “give unto Caesar what is Ceasar’s” was just a big load of hooey right?

Jesus wanted people to give money to charity, not to steal from the rich and give to the poor.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
This country has to have some of the most heartless and shallow people in the world.

The government can spend 600 billion a year on military, 50 billion a year on the war on drugs, 35 billion a year on FOREIGN AID… Read that again you nitwits, FOREIGN AID…but as soon as money is spent for domestic programs, for AMERICANS, for your NEIGHBORS, suddenly it’s the most horrific and unjust use of tax payer’s money ever.

I think a lot of people who are against foreign aid are going to also be against domestic programs.

Plus look at the money spent on foreign aid compared to domestic programs.

$500 billion on welfare.

For a country that overwhelmingly considers itself ‘christian’, I rarely see people share the same compassion or giving nature for people their supposed savior did and encouraged.

Assholes.

You’re an idiot. Christianity has nothing to do with the government taking people’s money in the form of taxes and giving it to people. Christianity promotes the voluntary helping of one’s neighbor.

If I teach a friend who’s in poor financial shape good money management skills that isn’t enough help? I need to give him money?

Now start ranting and raving about how you don’t want your money to go to ‘deadbeats’ and ‘lazy bums’ while the government ships off billions of tax payer’s dollars to foreign nations that you could give a fuck less about.

How old are you?

You sound like a college kid looking for government to create a utopia for everyone. Why can’t people just worry about creating their own utopian lifestyle as long as they don’t suppress others’ rights so they have the same chance? We can’t keep all of our compensation for our productivity because others “need” it.

Remember… NO ONE in the country will go hungry or homeless if they just didn’t make a shit load of really bad decisions. We need to compensate people because they make poor decisions? Get real.
I’m not in favor of a utopia society, at the same time I’m not in favor a winding road to dystopia.

Maybe the people against foreign aid are also against domestic programs, but they seem to always become enraged and much more hostile when it comes to giving money or aid to Americans.

Christianity does a play part in my opinion…
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.’”

Really, I just find it hilarious it’s always the right wing conservative christians who push so hard against domestic programs for the impoverished people of the US. Why even call yourself a christian? These people need to find another religion, one of which doesn’t involve helping the needy or spreading love, as their anti-aid stance and war mongering ways is the exact opposite of what they claim to believe.

And also, you’re an idiot.[/quote]

Once again why do I need to be FORCED to give money to people?

Also why are these people poor? Because people like you and me are racist fucks who are intentionally keeping them down? Or because they made bad decisions?

These people need jobs not money.

Teach a man to fish…

Once again try to answer my question: Why can’t people just worry about improving their own lifestyle? As long as it’s not at the expense of others that alone makes the world a better place.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:

Really, I just find it hilarious it’s always the right wing conservative christians who push so hard against domestic programs for the impoverished people of the US. Why even call yourself a christian? These people need to find another religion, one of which doesn’t involve helping the needy or spreading love, as their anti-aid stance and war mongering ways is the exact opposite of what they claim to believe.

And also, you’re an idiot.[/quote]

It’s not that complex. It’s very simple.
It’s not that ‘right wing christian conservatives’ are against helping the ‘impoverished people of the US’. Rather, it’s that they believe the Government does a piss-poor job of actually providing a benefit. And, since, it is their hard-earned money that is used to do the piss-poor job, they oppose it. Make sense?

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
produce entire underclasses of unproductive dependence,
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This is the whole argument. Everything else is superfluous.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Government expenditures are for those things that cannot be obtained by individuals by definition. Military is the most obvious example. Waste is something else, but I hope we never stop spending TONS AND TONS of money on defense. That is a constitutional mandate and more necessary now than at any other time in history.[/quote]

Anti terrorism is a problem solved by law enforcement, not military. Aside from that, we have troops in over 130 countries, which is one of the biggest reasons for terrorism against the US. CIA agents, including the former head of the Bin Laden unit, repeatedly report that AQ’s best method for recruitment is pointing to the US involvement and intervention in the middle east. What the US is accomplishing with broad military deployment and involvment is nothing more than an increased amount of AQ recruitment and anti-American sentiment, if you believe anything otherwise you’re naive.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Food, clothing, education, medical care etc. are individual commodities and are the responsibility of them and theirs to provide it. If there is genuine hardship, then those close enough to the individuals in question are best qualified to determine whether legitimate charity is called for.

Formularized, impersonal government programs are pathetically inefficient, astronomically expensive, practically designed for fraud and inappropriate outlay, produce entire underclasses of unproductive dependence, juts plain DO NOT work and are actually cruel and inhumane in the end.

We are sitting neck deep in evidence of this. It has produced a generation of fatherless practically feral children who will kill you because they’re bored. I live in their neighborhood so do not attempt to tell me it ain’t so.

Whatever compassion is, the government is the last entity on Earth capable of effectively dispensing it.

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I agree that overhaul of social programs are in order, but I disagree in that they should be completely abolished. If the US people were to wake up, start taking action and embrace involvement, then perhaps there might be some accountability and effecient implementation.

Maybe you should kill yourself.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
It all comes down to this- it’s not as if the money isn’t already there, it’s not as if the government isn’t already spending TRILLIONS of dollars. They do, it’s there, they pass it. It’s just that money isn’t being spent here in America, for Americans. And when the idea of doing that is proposed, suddenly people are up in arms and start flying off the handle.

$600 billion military- Great!
$35 billion foreign aid- oh well…
$50 billion war on drugs- what can ya do?
$500 billion social welfare- OUTRAGEOUS! LUDICROUS! FUCK POOR PEOPLE AND SINGLE MOTHERS! ARGHHHH!!! I HATE WHEN POOR PEOPLE CAN EAT!

And these are the same people who want poor people to pop out every baby they abort. They all want to love the babies until they’re actually born.[/quote]

Look at our debt. THE MONEY ISN’T THERE!!!

You have to realize people are up in arms about it because it is BANKRUPTING our country. We have a new record debt every day. If anything is going to diminish YOUR quality of life for years to come it is the terrible financial policy this country has. I don’t want to spend $600 billion on military (especially overseas), 35 billion on foreign aid, 50 billion on war on drugs, or 500 billion on social welfare.

You know we don’t hate when poor people eat. We hate that people think the only solution is that people think government is the answer. This is the same government who set us up for this financial mess we are in now. They aren’t going to solve the countries poverty.

People in this country who want to work and don’t make terrible decisions DO NOT go hungry and put a roof over their heads.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
produce entire underclasses of unproductive dependence,

This is the whole argument. Everything else is superfluous.[/quote]

This is what you nanny staters can’t seem to grasp about our position. We believe, in the end, you guys are making people worse off! That you’re slowing job creation and the rise in wages/benefits, making black-market labor attractive, and making the cost of goods more expensive.

And, AND, you’re providing incentives for entire generations of people to give less weight to the consequences of bad and risky lifestyle choices. You’re subsidizing cycles of poverty!