Fucking Lol! Must have been good times.
I can think of another difference between the plight of European immigrants of the 19th/20th centuries and that of blacksāa difference some might say is more impactful than whether government help was profferedā¦
I liked @MoreMuscleās response to this about jobs. Also, we have the marriage gap in poor urban areas. Thatās a cultural thing, a lot of progressives donāt like to talk about it, but when we close it, poverty drops into the single digits for everybody, including Blacks. Thatās hopeful. You donāt have to vanquish racism if you can start addressing that.
Itās impossible NOT to bring culture and race into the education debate because education is such a big part of the problem. I said this in another thread recently, but even if you canāt close the marriage gap completely, just supporting single mothers with finishing their educations, learning job skills is huge. Sorry if Iām looking at this through a female lens. I think weāre failing poor inner city kids.
Yes. I worked in elementary schools and did preschool diagnostics in a poor urban area. People love their kids. Poor people love their kids, they just donāt always have the parenting skills that are going to drive college-bound or trade-school bound kids because they didnāt do those things.
Serious props for this. Some of these kids are sooo hard, and theyāll just break your heart. Believe me, I get along just fine with rowdy little ADHD kids, but some of these teachers are dealing with some really hard situations with kids who are violent, really unpredictable, attachment disorders, etcā¦ Kids that need residential treatment, but thatās another topic. The schools have been the payer of last resort for this kind of thing, and the costs can be astronomical.
I want him.
I think itās cool. I like that they also award scholarships for kids going to trade schools, and not just for kids who are college-bound. I like that a lot!
I couldnāt readily find their financials, but they are rated by Charity Navigator.
I had to call all my exās to figure out which one had been holding out on me. My therapist thinks i might have memory dissociative disorder and only remember my kids while Iām drinking. Made for crazy V day.
I feel like Aaron and Roy from primal fear.
Ha! That was me talking about kids! Quote within a quote fail.
How do you quote two people now? If I want to quote both you, and Aragornās response to you?
Like this ^^ I just highlight the text click āquoteā then highlight the next text and hit āquoteā
I donāt know how to do a quote with someone elseās quote included.
Lolā¦yeah man no pension in that line of work. I mean if I was him, I would have a yugeee life insurance policy if I could manage it. He knew what he was doing.
Unless youāre in Zimbabwe or South Africaā¦most countries over there, everyone looks like you. I donāt know if you can even call it the same heritage. Most African-Americans donāt know of any sort of heritage prior to āmy ancestor was a slave.ā
When you look at the messages and images you receive growing up, hardship in Africa could be related to a miasma of things, but unless youāre in one of those two countries I mentioned earlier, racism is not one of them. That alone changes how you allow it to affect you, your mindset, and your life. Its perceived control over said life.
Itās challenging. But, just having people that do it, and encourage the same to others is huge. There is also a huge disconnect between classes of Black folks. I think @Basement_Gainz mentioned earlier about the āUncle Tomās.ā I mean hell, from elementary school through high school as a kid I heard that I talked āWhiteā from peers. Generally you heard that from kids that were from poorer areas, and didnāt know the extent to which they were brainwashed. How insane is it to believe that speaking intelligently is associated with āWhite?ā That is reality in the hood my friend.
Yeah. Goes back to the self-limiting statements we talked about a while back. Ultimately, weāre out here trying to do therapy for people who donāt even know theyāre fucked up lol. Itās challenging, but very rewarding.
This is true. I believe this and economic opportunity are tied together tightly.
Donāt apologize for looking at it from your perspective!!!
I can think of MANY extremely significant differencesāand I said as much in the part you quoted. I prefaced it that way specifically in the hopes of avoiding the rejoinder you implied and focus on only one aspect.
The difference in cultures between poor folks who emigrated from Africa and poor A-Aās from here is shocking.
My wife made good friends with a woman from Kenya in college. She came here legally at 15yo and did high school here (in a tough neighborhood), earning her citizenship at 22yo. I remember her saying āI canāt date black guys from the states, they suck, no respect at all. And I canāt date guys any other color because my family would disown me.ā
She ended up finding a dating service for black immigrants only and married a guy from Trinidad. We had them out to the house for a visit. They brought their 3 month old (fattest baby ever). We had a great time, I taught them how to shoot handguns. When buying houses came up she literally said āwe want to live in the richest, whitest school district in the area so our baby will have the best chance. Property taxes be damned.ā
Canāt fault that logic, but a sad commentary on schools in the US.
Another really good post but just quoting this part. I agree completely, and itās sad. The reality is that a large part of success comes down to simple daily habits. You have to work on those habits to see the rest of the story, and one of the saddest parts I see in this whole mess is the whole successful black person referred to as Uncle Tom because they donāt toe the stereotype in mind for āraised blackā in language or political alignment. Add to that that āUncle Tomā is one of my least favorite insults ever because most people in life could only hope to be a fraction as good as Tom was in the book.
There are aspects, and then there are aspects. I would be curious to hear why you chose the āgovernment assistanceā aspect as the one worth addressing.
This is true. I believe this and economic opportunity are tied together tightly.[/quote]
Yes indeed. I think itās a tragedy that Moynihan Report was pilloried because it had a lot of substance that is playing out now.
Because I thought it was self-evident that slavery and jim crow were key. Apparently I was wrong and it wasnāt self-evident. Then just look at MoreMuscleās post below mineāhe hits exactly on where I was going to go with it.
Iām glad that Iām not the only one who still hasnāt figured this out, lol.
Two very different groups of people. I love you taught them to shoot guns. My country teammates taught me to shoot compound bows and shotguns lol goodtimes.
Well, shoot. I just figured it out. Itās tedious and requires you to place one quote inside the other.
The reality is that a large part of success comes down to simple daily habits. You have to work on those habits to see the rest of the story
Absolutely. Tony Robbins is brilliant on this.
and one of the saddest parts I see in this whole mess is the whole successful black person referred to as Uncle Tom because they donāt toe the stereotype in mind for āraised blackā in language or political alignment.
Do you notice this as a S&C Coach as well? I guess it depends where you areā¦but the generally get to see a myriad of people.
In reference to Uncle Tomā¦Yeah Itās pretty twisted.
Interesting article on it if youāre interested:
Then just look at MoreMuscleās post below mineāhe hits exactly on where I was going to go with it.
You seem to be suggesting that government assistance is the major driver regarding the sense of socioeconomic inferiority @MoreMuscle discussed. Thatās not how I read his comment.