[quote]hypnotoad wrote:
xb-C wrote:
300andabove wrote:
LOl i hardly meant they would kill you !
BUt if you do the research (you DID didn’t you?) then you would see there is a big HUGE gigantic NO NO to teenagers doing the stretches… im not a big physiology buff so i will take a back seat to those more knowledgable than i on this topic.
I don’t understand what the big deal is with DC stretching.
The static stretching stretches out the fascia.
Once the fascia is stretched enough, it allows for an increase is muscular size, this to my knowledge is true.
I haven’t read anything encouraging people not to do this.
Post a link to an article or something saying teenagers shouldn’t DC stretch.
i remember a specific stretch dante did for lat width he refused to explain anymore, for the fear it would be done improperly, especially by a teenager who would then go and cry to his parents that “dantes routine injured me!”, thus causing mr. trudel some problems. maybe thats what 300andabove is refferring to.
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I believe you are referring to Dante’s good ol’ scapular manipulation trick. It doesn’t fit into the same category as the standard DC fascia stretches that are done after working a particular bodypart. It is more of a one-time lat expansion maneuver…
[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
hypnotoad wrote:
xb-C wrote:
300andabove wrote:
LOl i hardly meant they would kill you !
BUt if you do the research (you DID didn’t you?) then you would see there is a big HUGE gigantic NO NO to teenagers doing the stretches… im not a big physiology buff so i will take a back seat to those more knowledgable than i on this topic.
I don’t understand what the big deal is with DC stretching.
The static stretching stretches out the fascia.
Once the fascia is stretched enough, it allows for an increase is muscular size, this to my knowledge is true.
I haven’t read anything encouraging people not to do this.
Post a link to an article or something saying teenagers shouldn’t DC stretch.
i remember a specific stretch dante did for lat width he refused to explain anymore, for the fear it would be done improperly, especially by a teenager who would then go and cry to his parents that “dantes routine injured me!”, thus causing mr. trudel some problems. maybe thats what 300andabove is refferring to.
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I believe you are referring to Dante’s good ol’ scapular manipulation trick. It doesn’t fit into the same category as the standard DC fascia stretches that are done after working a particular bodypart. It is more of a one-time lat expansion maneuver… [/quote]
and he won’t tell ANYONE that over the internet, regardless of age.
[quote]kickureface wrote:
It makes sense that we can incorporate some of the training philosophy, but how much before it becomes too much like DC and becomes a nono?
Progressive loading
Nutritional ideas
RP
XStretches
A/B
Looks like adding these to your training should do no harm. When does it become a DC then?[/quote]
Well I’m certainly not going to speak for Dante, but one of the main issues is the fact that less experienced lifters don’t know their muscles as well, and just haven’t learned how to operate properly in that zone close to failure. Doing rest-pause as well as incorporating statics on most body parts is highly taxing. Younger lifters are fine just doing one or two high intensity working sets (and with DC we’re always talking about working sets… the warmups never get counted) and focusing on increasing the poundage regularly.
Keeping the volume very low in order to hit the muscle as frequently as possible so as to create more growth phases.
extremely high intensity
turning yourself into a food processing factory.
I think the rest-pause is the main area where the experience card becomes really important. Generating a high enough intensity is not really possible for someone who is not very experienced. Also, I think that the fact that you only repeat an exercise every 2 weeks can be bad for someone not advanced because their cns may not be skilled enough to get properly stronger in that movement when it is trained so rarely. You know what I mean?
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
I don’t see how the fascial stretching couldn’t be used by those who can’t follow the other protocols of DC. I’ve never seen a post by Dante saying teenagers should stay away from it. Idiots maybe, but then again idiots shouldn’t be around heavy, metal things anyway.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
what is this scapular manipulation supposed to do?
Never mind (or read up on it at a certain other forum).
I thought it was a good question. Everyone seems to think they are all chiropractors all of a sudden.[/quote]
I would PM you this if I could, but it’s something Dante has done to himself and a few people in person that involves tearing some soft tissue which instantly opens up the lat spread a few inches.
He refuses to type it out publically to avoid people misinterpreted and get hurt, he doesn’t claim to be a doctor and has admitted he isn’t 100% sure what’s going on internally just that it works.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
what is this scapular manipulation supposed to do?
Never mind (or read up on it at a certain other forum).
I thought it was a good question. Everyone seems to think they are all chiropractors all of a sudden.
I would PM you this if I could, but it’s something Dante has done to himself and a few people in person that involves tearing some soft tissue which instantly opens up the lat spread a few inches.
He refuses to type it out publically to avoid people misinterpreted and get hurt, he doesn’t claim to be a doctor and has admitted he isn’t 100% sure what’s going on internally just that it works.[/quote]
All that does is make me wonder why someone would do it. There could just be a reason doctors aren’t ripping connective tissue just so someone can do a lat spread.
In fact, if someone’s lat spread isn’t due to large amounts of muscle in the area, I really don’t want to see someone “opened” so that it looks bigger than it is.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
what is this scapular manipulation supposed to do?
Never mind (or read up on it at a certain other forum).
I thought it was a good question. Everyone seems to think they are all chiropractors all of a sudden.
I would PM you this if I could, but it’s something Dante has done to himself and a few people in person that involves tearing some soft tissue which instantly opens up the lat spread a few inches.
He refuses to type it out publically to avoid people misinterpreted and get hurt, he doesn’t claim to be a doctor and has admitted he isn’t 100% sure what’s going on internally just that it works.[/quote]
I dont think i’d have the balls to do that, even tough, from the pics iv’e seen, results are fucking impressive loll
[quote]zraw wrote:
Scott M wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
what is this scapular manipulation supposed to do?
Never mind (or read up on it at a certain other forum).
I thought it was a good question. Everyone seems to think they are all chiropractors all of a sudden.
I would PM you this if I could, but it’s something Dante has done to himself and a few people in person that involves tearing some soft tissue which instantly opens up the lat spread a few inches.
He refuses to type it out publically to avoid people misinterpreted and get hurt, he doesn’t claim to be a doctor and has admitted he isn’t 100% sure what’s going on internally just that it works.
I dont think i’d have the balls to do that, even tough, from the pics iv’e seen, results are fucking impressive loll
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Yeah, it doesn’t sound like a good idea to me either.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
All that does is make me wonder why someone would do it. There could just be a reason doctors aren’t ripping connective tissue just so someone can do a lat spread.
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I’m sure he never considered this and has never even bothered consulting any specialists regarding this.
And let’s debate this even further since we have absolutely no actual data, not even a real description on it and don’t actually know whether any connective tissue is being ripped in the process.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Scott M wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
what is this scapular manipulation supposed to do?
Never mind (or read up on it at a certain other forum).
I thought it was a good question. Everyone seems to think they are all chiropractors all of a sudden.
I would PM you this if I could, but it’s something Dante has done to himself and a few people in person that involves tearing some soft tissue which instantly opens up the lat spread a few inches.
He refuses to type it out publically to avoid people misinterpreted and get hurt, he doesn’t claim to be a doctor and has admitted he isn’t 100% sure what’s going on internally just that it works.
All that does is make me wonder why someone would do it. There could just be a reason doctors aren’t ripping connective tissue just so someone can do a lat spread.
In fact, if someone’s lat spread isn’t due to large amounts of muscle in the area, I really don’t want to see someone “opened” so that it looks bigger than it is.[/quote]
hmm, go to gym, heads, tear connective tissue, tails…looks for cyber coin.