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Always Faithful; Always The Corps

I always knew what a tradition the Marine Corps had…and how they pass it down from generation to generation of Marine…

But it really struck home when Bob Sheefer was speaking to Marine Corps Col. Bob Chase, 2nd Marine Division, who was helping to lead a large U.S. offensive near the Syrian Border:

Sheffer: “Are any of them putting up a fight?”

Col. Chase: (In a matter-of-fact/very articulate tone):

“…If they fight…they die…”

Not very “PC”, huh? You could have been talking to a Marine Commander more than 70 years ago in the Killing Fields of Belleuwood…

Semper Fi…

Mufasa

Mufassa

Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children are all hardcore. One way or the highway. Gotta love em.

I was Army (Armor) but always respected those guys.

I was Air Force. I always respect those who would give their life for their country. Even if it means being shit on by the one they are defending…

OD

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I always knew what a tradition the Marine Corps had…and how they pass it down from generation to generation of Marine…

But it really struck home when Bob Sheefer was speaking to Marine Corps Col. Bob Chase, 2nd Marine Division, who was helping to lead a large U.S. offensive near the Syrian Border:

Sheffer: “Are any of them putting up a fight?”

Col. Chase: (In a matter-of-fact/very articulate tone):

“…If they fight…they die…”

Not very “PC”, huh? You could have been talking to a Marine Commander more than 70 years ago in the Killing Fields of Belleuwood…

Semper Fi…

Mufasa[/quote]

MARINES ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST!..
SO MUCH HEART! AND THE BRAINS AND MUSCLE TO BACK IT UP.
OORAH!

I am Air Force and they have my utmost respect, God bless each and every one of them. This happened back in February and I was deployed so I don’t know if it has been posted or not. Apologies if it has.

http://www.sabawoon.com/news/miniheadlines.asp?dismode=article&artid=21047

Marine General Says Shooting Some Is ‘Fun’
by John J. Lumpkin
Source: The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - A decorated Marine Corps general said, “It’s fun to shoot some people” and poked fun at the manhood of Afghans as he described the wars U.S. troops are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

His boss, the commandant of the Marine Corps, said Thursday that the comments reflected “the unfortunate and harsh realities of war” but that the general has been asked to watch his words in public.

Lt. Gen. James Mattis, a career infantry officer who is now in charge of developing better ways to train and equip Marines, made the comments Tuesday while speaking to a forum in San Diego.

According to an audio recording, he said, “Actually, it’s a lot of fun to fight. You know, it’s a hell of a hoot. … It’s fun to shoot some people. I’ll be right up front with you, I like brawling.”

He added, “You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn’t wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway. So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.”

His comments were met with laughter and applause from the audience. Mattis was speaking during a panel discussion hosted by the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association, a spokeswoman for the general said.

Thursday, Gen. Mike Hagee, commandant of the Marine Corps, issued a statement saying, “Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candor. I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully.”

Hagee also said, “While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war.”

Among Marines, Mattis is regarded as a fighting general and an expert in the art of warfare. Among his decorations are the Bronze Star with a combat distinguishing device and a combat action ribbon, awarded for close-quarters fighting.

He is currently the commanding general of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command in Quantico, Va., and deputy commandant for combat development.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it was up to Mattis to address his own comments, but he added, “All of us who are leaders have a responsibility in our words and our actions to provide the right example all the time for those who look to us for leadership.”

Pace spoke to a Pentagon press conference. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he had not read Mattis’ words and deferred to Pace.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil liberties group, called on the Pentagon to discipline Mattis for the remarks.

“We do not need generals who treat the grim business of war as a sporting event,” said the council’s executive director, Nihad Awad. “These disturbing remarks are indicative of an apparent indifference to the value of human life.”

Pace and Hagee praised the general’s service.

“His actions and those of his troops clearly show that he understands the value of proper leadership and the value of human life,” Pace said.

Hagee called him “one of this country’s bravest and most experienced military leaders.”

He said the commitment of Marines “helps to provide us the fortitude to take the lives of those who oppress others or threaten this nation’s security. This is not something we relish, yet we accept it as a reality in our profession of arms.”

Hagee said he was confident Mattis would continue to serve with distinction.

Mattis’ comments were reported by the television station KNSD in San Diego, and the audio recording was posted on its Web site www.nbcsandiego.com .

As a lieutenant colonel, Mattis led an assault battalion into Kuwait during the first war with Iraq. During the war in Afghanistan, he commanded the 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade and subsequently Task Force 58, which fought in southern Afghanistan as the Taliban fell.

During the second war in Iraq, he commanded the 1st Marine Division during the invasion and also when the unit returned to Iraq for counterinsurgency operations last year.

In a letter to his troops before they redeployed to Iraq last March, Mattis warned them of “hard, dangerous work.”

“The enemy will try to manipulate you into hating all Iraqis,” he wrote. “Do not allow the enemy that victory. With strong discipline, solid faith, unwavering alertness, and undiminished chivalry to the innocent, we will carry out this mission.”

He is not the first senior military officer since the Sept. 11 attacks to stir controversy with his comments.

Lt. Gen. William Boykin, a senior military intelligence officer, was criticized for speeches he made at evangelical Christian churches. He said that America’s enemy was Satan, that God had put President Bush in the White House and that one Muslim Somali warlord was an idol-worshipper.

Boykin later issued a written statement apologizing and saying he did not mean to insult Islam.

A Pentagon investigation concluded that Boykin violated regulations by failing to make clear he was not speaking in an official capacity in the speeches beginning in January 2002.

[quote]CDM wrote:
I am Air Force and they have my utmost respect, God bless each and every one of them. This happened back in February and I was deployed so I don’t know if it has been posted or not. Apologies if it has.

http://www.sabawoon.com/news/miniheadlines.asp?dismode=article&artid=21047

Marine General Says Shooting Some Is ‘Fun’
by John J. Lumpkin
Source: The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - A decorated Marine Corps general said, “It’s fun to shoot some people” and poked fun at the manhood of Afghans as he described the wars U.S. troops are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

His boss, the commandant of the Marine Corps, said Thursday that the comments reflected “the unfortunate and harsh realities of war” but that the general has been asked to watch his words in public.

Lt. Gen. James Mattis, a career infantry officer who is now in charge of developing better ways to train and equip Marines, made the comments Tuesday while speaking to a forum in San Diego.

According to an audio recording, he said, “Actually, it’s a lot of fun to fight. You know, it’s a hell of a hoot. … It’s fun to shoot some people. I’ll be right up front with you, I like brawling.”

He added, “You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn’t wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway. So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.”

His comments were met with laughter and applause from the audience. Mattis was speaking during a panel discussion hosted by the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association, a spokeswoman for the general said.

Thursday, Gen. Mike Hagee, commandant of the Marine Corps, issued a statement saying, “Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candor. I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully.”

Hagee also said, “While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war.”

Among Marines, Mattis is regarded as a fighting general and an expert in the art of warfare. Among his decorations are the Bronze Star with a combat distinguishing device and a combat action ribbon, awarded for close-quarters fighting.

He is currently the commanding general of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command in Quantico, Va., and deputy commandant for combat development.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it was up to Mattis to address his own comments, but he added, “All of us who are leaders have a responsibility in our words and our actions to provide the right example all the time for those who look to us for leadership.”

Pace spoke to a Pentagon press conference. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he had not read Mattis’ words and deferred to Pace.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil liberties group, called on the Pentagon to discipline Mattis for the remarks.

“We do not need generals who treat the grim business of war as a sporting event,” said the council’s executive director, Nihad Awad. “These disturbing remarks are indicative of an apparent indifference to the value of human life.”

Pace and Hagee praised the general’s service.

“His actions and those of his troops clearly show that he understands the value of proper leadership and the value of human life,” Pace said.

Hagee called him “one of this country’s bravest and most experienced military leaders.”

He said the commitment of Marines “helps to provide us the fortitude to take the lives of those who oppress others or threaten this nation’s security. This is not something we relish, yet we accept it as a reality in our profession of arms.”

Hagee said he was confident Mattis would continue to serve with distinction.

Mattis’ comments were reported by the television station KNSD in San Diego, and the audio recording was posted on its Web site www.nbcsandiego.com .

As a lieutenant colonel, Mattis led an assault battalion into Kuwait during the first war with Iraq. During the war in Afghanistan, he commanded the 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade and subsequently Task Force 58, which fought in southern Afghanistan as the Taliban fell.

During the second war in Iraq, he commanded the 1st Marine Division during the invasion and also when the unit returned to Iraq for counterinsurgency operations last year.

In a letter to his troops before they redeployed to Iraq last March, Mattis warned them of “hard, dangerous work.”

“The enemy will try to manipulate you into hating all Iraqis,” he wrote. “Do not allow the enemy that victory. With strong discipline, solid faith, unwavering alertness, and undiminished chivalry to the innocent, we will carry out this mission.”

He is not the first senior military officer since the Sept. 11 attacks to stir controversy with his comments.

Lt. Gen. William Boykin, a senior military intelligence officer, was criticized for speeches he made at evangelical Christian churches. He said that America’s enemy was Satan, that God had put President Bush in the White House and that one Muslim Somali warlord was an idol-worshipper.

Boykin later issued a written statement apologizing and saying he did not mean to insult Islam.

A Pentagon investigation concluded that Boykin violated regulations by failing to make clear he was not speaking in an official capacity in the speeches beginning in January 2002.

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You have to admit he’s right.

I would add the following to his comment.

As Winston Churchill said…getting shot at ,without result, is a most rewarding experience.

[quote]Original_Demon wrote:
I always respect those who would give their life for their country.[/quote]

To make that assertion is to imply that people in the armed forces die willingly in combat. I don’t think that’s the case.

I’m trying to figure out what the point of this thread is. It seems like a typical fascist military worship thread, but I’m getting thrown off by the fact that it was made by a liberal. What gives, Simba?

I trained a lot with the Marines and I have the utmost respect for those guys. Went through Ranger School with a few and without one of them, I might not have made it through. Al Shades - facist military worship thread??? I happen to think that this is just a thread with people expressing their respect and admiration for those that deserve it. RLTW

rangertab75

Also Al Shades, we WOULD willingly give our lives for our country. Now don’t confuse that with that we WANT to give our lives for our country, “But if we have to give these bastards our lives; WE GIVE THEM HELL BEFORE WE DO!!!” RLTW

rangertab75

I think it might have been Peggy Noonan (famous politico speech writer) who stated: “We sleep soundly each night because of tough men who prowl the night and protect.”

I thank God for our fighting men, especialy the United States Marines whom I hold in the highest regard.

I just walked the Gettysburg battlefield and National Cemetery yesterday.

It is a very sobering experience looking at Medal of Honor winners graves and walking up “Picketts Charge”.

I have the utmost respect to the members of our armed forces that risk their lives for our freedoms.

No one willingly throws their life away for nothing.

They enlist because they believe in the American ideals.

They fight because they are asked to and for their brothers in arms.

Those that die have made the ultimate sacrifice.

I see no “facist military worship” here.

I just see the Marines getting some of the respect they have earned.

If you cannot understand, then your opinion is meaningless.

To denigrate those killed by saying they did not die willingly is moronic.

Al Shades wrote: I’m trying to figure out what the point of this thread is. It seems like a typical fascist military worship thread, but I’m getting thrown off by the fact that it was made by a liberal. What gives, Simba?

This perfectly sums up the problem with liberal thinking. If a liberal posts/says something out of line with the current liberal idealogy they have to be chided about it. The supposedly open-minded free thinkers have to keep each other in line, proving yourself to be nothing but mindless autobots that follow the company line. The only liberal that I know of who this doesn’t apply to is Sen. Clinton, mostly because everyone on the Democratic side of the house is scared to death of her.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
They enlist because they believe in the American ideals.
[/quote]

I don’t agree with Al Shades take on this thread, but I also have to ask what the point is. If the point is to pay your respects for their sacrifice, then why must you also try and speak to their beliefs?

I know of people in the military that enlisted solely for financial reasons, opposed the United States going to war with Iraq, and went over there to fight anyway. Are you saying that you don’t appreciate their sacrifices because they didn’t enlist for the “right” reasons? I’m pretty sure you’re not saying that, so why not just pay your respects without trying to speak for their beliefs?

I know that if I were a marine in Iraq right now a simple thanks would be appreciated, but I wouldn’t want some guy on a message board speaking for me and my beliefs.

So thanks marines, regardless of why you enlisted.

Haha, uncle sam don’t take no shit!!!
semper fi!!!

I am not about to get in a pissing match about why people enlist in the Marine Corps, but of the 5 guys I know none of them enlisted for purely financial reasons. There are much better financial opportunities than the Marines.

I don’t know what the fuck you are talking about not appreciating their sacrifices if the didn’t enlist for the “right” reasons.

It just seems you have to stick something moronic in here just like Al.

[quote]Al Shades wrote:
Original_Demon wrote:
I always respect those who would give their life for their country.

To make that assertion is to imply that people in the armed forces die willingly in combat. I don’t think that’s the case.

I’m trying to figure out what the point of this thread is. It seems like a typical fascist military worship thread, but I’m getting thrown off by the fact that it was made by a liberal. What gives, Simba?[/quote]

Wouldn’t liberal idealogy promote free thinking, thus allowing Mufasa to state whatever he wanted whenever he wanted, even if it doesn’t run current with his other liberal ideas? “What gives?” Why prod him? Is he not allowed to think or say what he wants? Sounds kind of socialistic to me, Al.

As for your first statment. Marines don’t go into combat to prove that they are willing to die for their country, they go into combat to make the other bastard prove he is ready to die for his.

[quote]hoosierdaddy wrote:
Marines don’t go into combat to prove that they are willing to die for their country, they go into combat to make the other bastard prove he is ready to die for his.
[/quote]

Amen brother!

This country is free because their are men wearing our uniform willing to kill anyone who threatens that freedom.

God Bless America’s warriors in all the branches of service.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think it might have been Peggy Noonan (famous politico speech writer) who stated: “We sleep soundly each night because of tough men who prowl the night and protect.”

I thank God for our fighting men, especialy the United States Marines whom I hold in the highest regard.[/quote]

It’s George Orwell actually. Hooah.

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
George Orwell

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I am not about to get in a pissing match about why people enlist in the Marine Corps, but of the 5 guys I know none of them enlisted for purely financial reasons. There are much better financial opportunities than the Marines.
[/quote]

Yeah, I don’t want to get into a pissing contest either. And I don’t want this thread to degrade into one either. That’s why the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of my posts was that we should pay our respects to Marine (and other military) without trying to paint with a broad fucking brush as to why they do what they do.

Then just re-read the fucking post until you do.

Oh please. Is it too much to ask that YOU don’t speak for all Marines and why they enlisted? Why does every single military appreciation thread have to have a self-appointed spokesman for all soldiers?

[quote]Moriarty wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I am not about to get in a pissing match about why people enlist in the Marine Corps, but of the 5 guys I know none of them enlisted for purely financial reasons. There are much better financial opportunities than the Marines.

Yeah, I don’t want to get into a pissing contest either. And I don’t want this thread to degrade into one either. That’s why the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of my posts was that we should pay our respects to Marine (and other military) without trying to paint with a broad fucking brush as to why they do what they do.

I don’t know what the fuck you are talking about not appreciating their sacrifices if the didn’t enlist for the “right” reasons.

Then just re-read the fucking post until you do.

It just seems you have to stick something moronic in here just like Al.

Oh please. Is it too much to ask that YOU don’t speak for all Marines and why they enlisted? Why does every single military appreciation thread have to have a self-appointed spokesman for all soldiers?[/quote]

Mori, let me ask you, is the act of enlistment wrong if the reason for doing so is? Case in point, I do community service not because I know it helps people, but because I feel better about myself, and I don’t feel as bad when I do something wrong. Does that mean I should stop doing community service?

I’m actually not challenging you I just want your opinion on that issue.