[quote]cadav wrote:
micktest wrote:
To Cadav: LOL! All valid point’s, and tactfully spoken. This is the kind of response, I wish we could see more of at T-Nation. I.E when you critique someone or disagree- it should be done with class. Which is exactly how you handled it, and is why I enjoyed reading it.
Thanks you 
I strongly believe in communication to achieve more knowledge and to better understand it.
-what up Cadav? same here bro.
-HA HA. I couldn’t agree more. Like I said, I was just swinging at the fences and had an itch to see what Dbol at 100mg/d could do. Ah, shit works! LOL.
it’s really good for you (and for us to know!). Do you have blood work related to “in cycle” (for example 5th or 8th week)?
I think it can be intresting to see blood information related to that weeks.
-acually, yes. for this cycle i got my bloodwoork done about 6 week’s post cycle(about 2 weeks ago)-hdl 48/ ldl 116. I really think the diet,water intake,mega dosed fish oil’s, and continued high cardio we’re responsible for the good panels.
-Correct again. Next time I’m dropping it to 50mg/day and only for 6 wks. Ok, maybe 8wks- but who’s counting? LOL.
LOL.
My oral only was a 6 weeks of 40mgOT+60mg VAR. In the first 2weeks i have used 60mgOT+60mgVAR but I feel to much sleepily
Eventhough, I truly believe the neg effect’s are overstated.
I believe the same. But “how much” is overrated?
-lol. well, I’ll say this. I don’t think i’ll be doing 100mgs of dbol/day for 10 weeks again. Eventhough my panels we’re great post cycle. I have no doubt that they we’re probably pretty fucked up during the cycle. that being the case, going 10 week’s like that at 100mg/day was probably not the smartest move. i really pushed the envelope with the dose/length ratio. i just alway’s wanted to do a balls out oral cycle to see what the deal was. i did it, had fun and got lucky. my 100mg day’s are over from here on out. i think 50mgs next time around will still be pretty fun, but much less risky. lol.
-I was too bro believe me! When I first used Test it bloated the hell outta me and I’m very prone to gyno.
The same for me. In my last cycle (I’m on pct by now) I have used mast with test e and it helps a lot… but gyno still scare me
-yeah, i hear mast is the cat’s tit’s! sound’s perfect- estro block, with some nice synergistic action. everyone say’s if ya love test(which i do), then mast is the way to go to for a stack.
But I’m telling you man, If you adhear to the diet I suggested It’s amazing how it can positively affect the cycle. I mean I carried 0 extra water weight this time around, on fucking Dbol. Ha! Who the hell does that? If anyone should have bloated on a cycle, I should have. If you’re really worried, Adex is alway’s nice.
I will give a try to your nutrition plan next time :). Adex is always on my toolbox 
-glad to hear it. i really think you’ll get much more off your cycle with it. i definitly did. it was dramatically different for me this time around. that was the key for my nearly 0 bloat this time around.
One reason that may seperate me from many other’s in respect’s to this cycle is my genetic’s.
sure
However, many people loose that much BF during an induction phase of Aktkin’s.
It is really fat or it is water? due to glycogen depletion with low-carb diet?
With the Di Pasquale low carb plan I have dropped about 9kg last year (without AAS) but half of them was water (still really good i think)
-Yes, that is definitly not shabby at all! when in conjunction with AAS the outcome is even more dramatic.well, obviously it’s gonna be both. Water will be the first to go. that’s why some people can feel a bit weak, lightheaded, and flu like in the beginning. when you start your diet next cycle, begin 4 week’s prior to gearing-up. The key to really burning the fat is this: not only do you want to keep you’re net carb’s to 30 gram’s or below- but it’s important to keep your fat intake slightly higher than your protein consumption. this way, it make’s you’re body more efficient at burning fat as fuel v.s using glycogen as fuel. Check out Dr. Atkin’s “new diet revolution”. run the induction diet phase throught your cycle and you will get fucking shredded crazy style.
All the men In my family are built like brick-shithouses. I’m talking 6’-6’4", big hand’s,big shoulder’s,big arms,big chest,big leg’s,thick neck’s. I’m a fucking anomaly, because I am the only short fucker of the bunch at a mere 5’6".
well I’m tall 170cm… as a lot of Southern Italian (my mother’s is from the South) I’m not really tall :). However I have the “width” of Northern man (my father…) so I have “small” arms (my arms is only 42cm…) but large trunk(more than 124cm) and legs…
Except my inseam is only 29".
sorry what does “inseam” means?
-inseam is just a pant’s measurement. let’s you know how long your leg’s are.
So, even without AS I’ve alway’s been very compact and stalky like a fuckin pitbull. LOL.
me too small arms aside… :\
Putting on size for me naturally is very easy and very quick. But, with Juice it’s fucking rediculous.
I have the same luck. with a bit more lucky on the strength side.
Nor, did I consume 6 meal’s a day or drink lot’s of protein powder’s.Etc. For me it was three squares a day, no protein shake’s, none of the typical body builder mantra’s.
lucky bastard 
-yeah dude, i’m still trying to figure that out. buy all account’s my result’s just shouldn’t have been what they we’re. but, i’m not complaining. ha.
According to everyone out there the calorie’s are way off, I should of ate more, I should of taken my protein powder, and I should have stacked it with some test for a real cycle.
aside from test stacking I think you have sone the right nutritional choice. 70% of proteins is a lot of proteins on 3500cal
-Yeah my mistake there bro…definite typo in repect’s to protein consumption. it was closer to a 50/50 split when talking protein to fat’s ratio. often time’s maybe a little more fat intake. once you factor in the olive oils, real-butter, real-mayonnaise, fish oil’s, and real-cream cheese(which is just about the only dairy, beside’s butter that I like)…those are all good sources to help up your fat intake- beside’s what you’d normally find in fatty meat and stuff like that.
Because, I really feel that it is dependant on the individual make-up.
I think this one is the “main rule” on AAS effects.
Anyway’s, thank’s for the response. I enjoyed the read, and if I can help you in any way- just PM me and I’ll be more than happy to do so.
I also enojoy smart poster like you
-same here dude.
take care fucko and happy lifting- Mick
happy lifting to you too