All Around Training

mikepleavin 2016-07-19 14:18:25 UTC #1

Hi all,
I am searching for a training program that will make a more all round athlete rather than being very specific. I would like to be able to lift pretty heavy, be fast/agile and also have good stamina. Including being good at practical/labourous tasks such as digging or carrying heavy loads.
There is a guy on instagram called "realworld tactical" who does very similar stuff to the sort of thing i am referring to.
Does anyone know of any training programs that could accomplish this?

Thanks

Roran 2016-07-19 14:29:43 UTC #2

5/3/1
Especially Jim's latest ideas. Mobility, jumps, throws, strong on the barbel lifts, strong on bodyweight stuff, running, weight vest walks, sled/prowler, work the whole body everytime you train etc. This covers most everything.

I'm butchering a quote of his that I really liked but it was something like: "Can you say anything negative about a man who can squat 500 pounds, do 20 chin-ups, and run a 7-minute mile? No."

mikepleavin 2016-07-19 14:34:09 UTC #3

That sound 100% what i am looking for. I am familiar with Jim's older 531 work like boring but big and such things, where can i find his later work with the training as you have just described?
Thanks very much
And that quote is awesome haha

Roran 2016-07-19 14:47:06 UTC #4

He has a forum on this site you can ask. Just mention you've never done 5/3/1 and what is the best way to start. He is coming out with a new book in a couple months that sounds really good bit until then you should check out the forum.

mikepleavin 2016-07-19 14:50:18 UTC #5

Okay i will ask him on there then. Thanks a lot for the help i appreciate it

Chris_Colucci 2016-07-19 17:50:01 UTC #6

Most training plans can accomplish that, because all you're saying is that you want to be strong, fast, and have good conditioning. Those are vague goals, so pretty much any plan can get you there.

Where are you currently - height, weight, general fat level, and current PRs on the basic lifts?

5/3/1 is a solid choice, but plenty of routines from Waterbury, Thibaudeau, Dan John, or other coaches would fit the bill too.

Do you have any specific targets you're shooting for? Like, what exactly does "lift very heavy" mean? Squat 225x15? 455x3? How will you know when you're "fast/agile"? 5 cartwheels in a row right into a 14-second 100-meter run? What exactly is "good stamina"? An 18-minute 3-mile?

Specific goals get achieved. Vague goals are useless.

Something I've always wondered when this issue comes up... do you have many instances in your daily life where you need to dig ditches or carry exceptionally heavy loads?

Panopticum 2016-07-19 18:24:53 UTC #7

I really dig this kind of ideas: being good at everything will make you a bit of a jack-of-all-trades, but that statement really loses a lot of power when it comes out of the mouth of a superheavy powerlifter or a marathon runner. Or as Ido Portal says: 'specialisation comes with a price'.

A favourite to shoehorn in here is off course @Alpha and his awesome log Alpha V.

If you are looking into 'real world' practical strength... well, what do you mean with that? The practical things I usually do which use strength is carrying stuff, but not terribly heavy stuff, like pallets/crates/chairs. Well mostly stuff that isn't really heavy, but awkward to handle. That and picking up people when going out (that somehow is our favourite way to have fun...simple people we are. Digging holes is something I barely do lately.

I would say the most important aspect of 'real strength' is the ability to keep a rigid core for a prolonged time, a strong posterior chain, strong arms, strong shoulders and a strong grip.

dt79 2016-07-19 19:06:47 UTC #8

"A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all fuckin' night. "

mikepleavin 2016-07-19 19:09:06 UTC #9

Hey man
I totally get what you are saying about the goals needing to be specific, I was on my break at work when i made the thread so rushed it a little haha
Currently I'm 5ft 9" 21years old 90kg and about 17-20% bf I think
Maxes on lifts are 107.5kg bench
172.5kg squat
210kg deadlift
I know they aren't impressive so no mick taking haha
Well I would like to be able to do a mile and a half in a decent time- around the 9.45-10 min mark
Not interested in like 'marathon' stuff
Would like to hit a 115kg bench by summer next year
185kg squat and 220kg deadlift
And I am a mechanic so do physical stuff all the time and help my dad out most weekends renovating houses(he buys wrecked houses and then makes them decent then rents them) so that is quite physical,
To be fair I suppose it doesn't matter if I use the physical attributes or not if I want them I can train for them right?
Edit : there are things like the Colorado agility test (or at least I think that's what it's called) that I could try and get a better time than the normative data on it for my age etc hope that makes sense

T3hPwnisher 2016-07-19 20:12:38 UTC #10

I feel a need to ask the obvious question here.

If you want to train like the realworldtactical guy, why not just ask him how he trains?

mikepleavin 2016-07-19 20:27:27 UTC #11

I think the guy actually just did some vids with super training, gonna check them out and see what he says in there

T3hPwnisher 2016-07-19 20:34:09 UTC #12

I mean, you can do that to, but you could also just reach out to him directly and ask. I did like a 2 second google search and found his instagram. Dude's name is Tony Sentmanat. Apparently he's a 1st Phrom athlete too.

I just feel like you're going about this the hard way. Instead of trying to piece it all together from bits and pieces through out the net, I'd go for the direct approach. I'm sure he'd offer his coaching services for a fee.

mikepleavin 2016-07-19 21:09:27 UTC #13

Okay man I see what you are getting at, I'll hit him up with a direct message.

Chris_Colucci 2016-07-20 17:02:22 UTC #14

I know you didn't mention any physique goals, but dropping fat will make the cardio goals easier.

These strength goals are pretty conservative and aren't that far off with a good plan. This 8-week routine from Tim Henriques would be a good start. Tack on some simple walking a few days a week to start building a conditioning base. On that note...

What's your current time for a mile and a half?

For sure. It's just that sometimes we'll see guys say they want to be "functional" and able to dig trenches and carry bathtubs or whatever, when they sit in a cubicle 50 hours a week and their average non-work activity level is only whatever they do in the gym.

mikepleavin 2016-07-20 17:22:04 UTC #15

Well I used to be very very lean all the time from ages 13-20 as I competed in kickboxing and mma throughout this entire time and was extremely fit, my mile and a half time then was 9 mins 13 seconds.
Honestly I don't know what my mile and a half would be like now but I have terrible conditioning at the moment it would be an embarrassment haha

I will check out that program now.
Thank you very much for your responses j really appreciate your time man!